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Old 08-17-2019, 11:01 AM
 
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Sure, but I am the believer that many people on earth have the genetics to be criminals. We haven't evolved because we have allowed mischievous people to stay around and breed within the same gene pools producing more future criminal minds. Read up on genetics, it sound unrealistic but time after time science is proven right.
So what is the alternative?
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:56 PM
 
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https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/nypd-d...see-jail-cell/

https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmat...0-3V3OyztyKeg/

This is a major change, this means that criminals for anything other than murder can skip bail hearings without paying a dime. It's essentially means no more crime for anything other than murders and other capital offenses. If you beat someone up, robbed a store, store something, or even sexually violated someone. The police not longer can hold you until you post bail to get arraignment. Just don't show up. There is no more bail requirement for 90% of crime committed now. Bail is typically a sure way to hold a criminal.

Now, the police can't hold anyone in jail for offenses less than murder. Drug dealers knows they don't have to show up for bail hearing. It's an automatic release and criminals not gonna show up for court dates and will eventually just rack up arrest warrants in the future until they kill somebody.

Way to go NY Democrats for passing this bill.
Just off the bat, "NY Bail Reform...Criminals out Scott Free"...you must realize how misleading this title is. In this country you are suppose to be innocent until proven guilty or have you forgotten that?
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Old 08-17-2019, 08:01 PM
 
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Our legal system already have protections against that in place. Those with no evidence of a crime, like you not stealing anything, aren't even processed at all.

But keep on fighting for the criminal's behalf and the chances of you ending up a victim of crime gets better. That's how society slides backwards.
You're mistaken. There was a case in NYC a few years ago about a black teenage boy who was held in Riker's for robbery with a gun. I don't remember the specifics but he was sent to Rikers, small 16-year old boy, can't imagine what he went through and they ended up finding out he was innocent after over a year in prison. He was abused constantly in prison and ended up killing himself. It was very sad documentary to watch and the effects it had on his family and community-devastating.

That child was processed for certain and locked up without any evidence he was guilty. This is how the "justice system" is for many.
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Old 08-17-2019, 08:03 PM
 
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Did anybody here bother to read these articles? Even the NY Post actually had something accurate in it (Even a stopped clock...)

"...A key measure of the bill — which takes effect next year — eliminates cash bail for anyone charged with a misdemeanor or non-violent felony.."

In other words, anyone arrested for a violent felony is still subject to bail. The streets will NOT be overrun with gangbangers, wife-beaters, arsonists, and muggers because a judge has been forced to free them before trial. This is for misdemeanors and non-violent felonies only. So everyone take a chill pill. It'll still be safe to go outside.

Thank you for posting this. Shame on the OP and others for spreading misinformation/disinformation.
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Old 08-17-2019, 10:21 PM
 
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This was proven utterly false over the last 30 years.

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Crime will always exist

With the way the system is currently set up

If you want to fix crime you must address the social issues that cause people to commit crime

Simple
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Old 08-17-2019, 10:23 PM
 
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You say this based on what? The Constitution explicitly calls for bail.

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Requiring money or holding people in jail without a trial is a clear violation of due process.
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Old 08-18-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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This was proven utterly false over the last 30 years.
Explain for the audience.
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Old 08-18-2019, 06:27 PM
 
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Look at the murder rate in NYC from 1992 until now. Did you see very many social issues being addressed in that time frame?

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Explain for the audience.

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Old 08-19-2019, 06:15 PM
 
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Look at the murder rate in NYC from 1992 until now. Did you see very many social issues being addressed in that time frame?
No

I saw more social issues being created

Why does everybody harp on the murder rate as a testament to crime? Like crime only encompasses murder.

"Nobody gets killed here, so we're doing good"

Ridiculous.
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Old 08-19-2019, 06:51 PM
 
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It's basically the ultimate crime. Compared to other crimes, it's tougher to fudge the numbers. The cops can likely lose burglaries, and sex crimes are both notoriously under reported and written off by the police. But a dead body is hard to write off, especially after an autopsy. And if a jurisdiction has a high murder rate, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts it has high rates of other crime (and somewhat vis-versa.)

As a one number statistic to compare crime rates of different jurisdictions, or the same jurisdiction over time, it works well. And it's usually the headline number people look at.

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No

I saw more social issues being created

Why does everybody harp on the murder rate as a testament to crime? Like crime only encompasses murder.

"Nobody gets killed here, so we're doing good"

Ridiculous.
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