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Old 09-10-2019, 07:49 PM
 
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It is your good fortune that I don't know how to paste links here - you don't want to know what I would paste in response to your "response" :-). In the 1950s people couldn't have believed that Detroit could go the way Detroit went either. But the exact same factors were at play: loss of business + incompetent city government.
The difference between when Detroit collapsed and NYC is when Detroit collapsed, there was no Internet

Last time NYC collapsed, there was no Internet

It simply won't and can't happen just for that reason alone

Things get fixed faster now

CashApp immediately
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Old 09-10-2019, 08:01 PM
 
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The difference between when Detroit collapsed and NYC is when Detroit collapsed, there was no Internet

Last time NYC collapsed, there was no Internet

It simply won't and can't happen just for that reason alone

Things get fixed faster now

CashApp immediately



Just how would the Internet fix the problem of businesses leaving NYC due to exorbitant taxes and other costs of doing business in NYC? If anything, Internet and other forms of electronic communication are facilitating doing business from anywhere. NYC had never "collapsed" in the past, exactly because it was an irreplaceable center of commerce when IT was still primitive. NYC is very replaceable now that no brick and mortar of a specific city is needed to conduct any business. Internet is the main reason why there would actually be nothing there to save NYC now, if it goes in the same direction where it went in the 1970s.
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Old 09-10-2019, 08:03 PM
 
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Again?
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Old 09-10-2019, 08:04 PM
 
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Just how would the Internet fix the problem of businesses leaving NYC due to exorbitant taxes and other costs of doing business in NYC? If anything, Internet and other forms of electronic communication are facilitating doing business from anywhere. NYC had never "collapsed" in the past, exactly because it was an irreplaceable center of commerce when IT was still primitive. NYC is very replaceable now that no brick and mortar of a specific city is needed to conduct any business. Internet is the main reason why there would actually be nothing there to save NYC now, if it goes in the same direction where it went in the 1970s.
Did you know that you can use your phone and get a signal on the subway now? Or are you still afraid to have your phone out in public.
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Old 09-10-2019, 08:07 PM
 
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A lot of criminals on camera nowadays, the Internet will save NYC for sure, it will never get as bad as the 1970s-2000s. Ever. Even in the 2000s, the city was pretty dumpy still. Not really until 2010 and beyond is when NYC really started seeing a signficant economic shift in certain areas. Not even 10 years.
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Old 09-10-2019, 08:08 PM
 
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Again?

Well, I am not starting any of these threads, just commenting. Btw, this subject has appeared repeatedly in many other national and international news outlets this month, not just on this forum.
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Old 09-10-2019, 08:10 PM
 
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It is your good fortune that I don't know how to paste links here - you don't want to know what I would paste in response to your "response" :-). In the 1950s people couldn't have believed that Detroit could ever go the way Detroit went either, after the history of massive economic prosperity. But the exact same factors were at play: loss of business + incompetent city government.
Specifically, it was over dependence on one industry and the city has a history of ethnic/racial tension that is complicated, as the migration to Detroit involved black and white Southerners. So, it brought that dynamic to the city/area. If it wasn’t in the form of riots(had major ones in 1863, 1943 and 1967), it manifested when Coleman Young became mayor, the city’s first black mayor, in 1974. He was mayor for 20 years and it gradually became divisive. So, Detroit’s situation is very nuanced.
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Old 09-10-2019, 08:12 PM
 
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Blue collar NYers have been leaving for a while because Yuppies, and Hipsters take over their neighborhood. But at the same time more wealthy people are moving in.
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Old 09-10-2019, 08:42 PM
 
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A lot of criminals on camera nowadays, the Internet will save NYC for sure, it will never get as bad as the 1970s-2000s. Ever. Even in the 2000s, the city was pretty dumpy still. Not really until 2010 and beyond is when NYC really started seeing a signficant economic shift in certain areas. Not even 10 years.

There are two different matters here, economy and crime. Anti-crime cameras are not economic instruments. Beats me how you can cause "a significant economic shift" with a camera, or what does that have to do with Internet.



NYC taxation and business disincentives are chasing business out of NYC, which equals bad local economy - Internet cannot do anything to fix that. Bad economy equals loss of tax revenue. Loss of tax revenue equals cutting of municipal services.


They have cameras in Detroit too, they just don't have jobs, municipal services, or property that is worth anything. People who could leave that situation have left long ago - so, what is left in Detroit is a concentrate of poverty and crime, and who cares whether that is on or off camera.
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Old 09-10-2019, 08:45 PM
 
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There are two different matters here, economy and crime. Anti-crime cameras are not economic instruments. Beats me how you can cause "a significant economic shift" with a camera, or what does that have to do with Internet.



NYC taxation and business disincentives are chasing business out of NYC, which equals bad local economy - Internet cannot do anything to fix that. Bad economy equals loss of tax revenue. Loss of tax revenue equals cutting of municipal services.


They have cameras in Detroit too, they just don't have jobs, municipal services, or property that is worth anything. People who could leave that situation have left long ago - so, what is left in Detroit is a concentrate of poverty and crime, and who cares whether that is on or off camera.
We can continue this conversation when you are willing to put the shoe on the other foot. Until then, it is pointless.
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