Condo Craze hits East NY (New York, York: environment, skyscrapers, luxury)

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Materialism

You need to read properly.

I could care less if there are projects in Bronx.

When I say New York I mean Manhattan, when I say Paris I mean Central Paris.

Have you two even step foot in Paris? Public housing is FAR and completely out of sight from Central Paris. Same as in Tokyo.

I said, why are there people in the middle of Manhattan paying $200 a month in rent (sometimes with FREE parking!) while people who actually work and contribute to the economy pay $4,000 in rent in the same neighborhood?

Like I said, the projects in MANHATTAN, (Yes, that includes Harlem) need to be sold or razed.

As I said, build more in Newark, build more in Bronx, Staten Island or East New York for all I care but get rid of the projects in Manhattan.

Materialism, you have a very elitist attitude that does not contribute to the growth of the city. So these people are good enough to drive my trains so that I can get to work, serve me my quick bite to eat at McDonalds, sell me my Daily News or NY Times, watch my children, pump my gas (i can go on and on), but they can't live around me? lol Completely ridiculous. And just as I mentioned before, Paris is surrounded by public housing, which only fueled their beliefs that they were indeed ostracized and written off, which was an underlying cause for the riots. Do you honestly want those kind of sentiments among the lower-class in NYC to fester? It would be a ticking time bomb. As a resident of a democratic country, I simply cannot stand by and have the same ideas you do. Like Mead said, NYCHA needs a serious overhaul.

Your credibility on this topic is in question because you're not a native New Yorker who understands the history of this great city, and I find it disappointing that you are so adamant towards a topic that you do not wish to know the history of.

[Materialism]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

Materialism, you have a very elitist attitude that does not contribute to the growth of the city. So these people are good enough to drive my trains so that I can get to work, serve me my quick bite to eat at McDonalds, sell me my Daily News or NY Times, watch my children, pump my gas (i can go on and on), but they can't live around me? lol Completely ridiculous. And just as I mentioned before, Paris is surrounded by public housing, which only fueled their beliefs that they were indeed ostracized and written off, which was an underlying cause for the riots. Do you honestly want those kind of sentiments among the lower-class in NYC to fester? It would be a ticking time bomb. As a resident of a democratic country, I simply cannot stand by and have the same ideas you do. Like Mead said, NYCHA needs a serious overhaul.

Your credibility on this topic is in question because you're not a native New Yorker who understands the history of this great city, and I find it disappointing that you are so adamant towards a topic that you do not wish to know the history of.

I just don't understand this sort of reasoning.

So why should anyone even bother going to college and getting a real job if we can all just slack off, barely work and get to live in the middle of Manhattan for basically nothing?

Nobody has a right to live in Manhattan. You either work hard and pay market rate rent on the most expensive parcel of land in the United States or you move elsewhere. Why MUST they live in Manhattan? What is wrong with the outskirts of the city?

With this reasoning, why not start building public housing in the middle of Malibu, Beverly Hills and The Hamptons since they're obviously ostracized from those societies as well? Let's force Saks Fifth Avenue and Barney's to mark all designer apparel 75% off because its only fair the poor are clad in the latest fashions. Bentleys should be marked off 95% so everyone can have them too! Lets start giving the public-housing recipients free memberships to country clubs in Greenwich so we won't ostracize poor people. They pump my gas, serve my food, clean my apartment but they can't drive Bentleys, wear Dolce&Gabbana, play tennis and socialize with me at the club??!!! The nerve!

[Rudbeckia]

Originally Posted by Materialism

I just don't understand this sort of reasoning.

So why should anyone even bother going to college and getting a real job if we can all just slack off, barely work and get to live in the middle of Manhattan for basically nothing?

Nobody has a right to live in Manhattan. You either work hard and pay market rate rent on the most expensive land in the United States or you move elsewhere. Why MUST they live in Manhattan? What is wrong with the outskirts of the city?

With this reasoning, why not start building public housing in the middle of Malibu, Beverly Hills and The Hamptons since they're obviously ostracized from those areas? Lets start giving the public-housing recipients free memberships to country clubs in Greenwich so we won't ostracize poor people. They pump my gas, serve my food, clean my apartment but they can't play tennis and socialize at the club with me??!!! The nerve!

Did you grow up privileged? Do you think you would be in the same place in life your in now if you had not?

[Materialism]

Originally Posted by Rudbeckia

Did you grow up privileged? Do you think you would be in the same place in life your in now if you had not?

Of course I would.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Materialism

I just don't understand this sort of reasoning.

So why should anyone even bother going to college and getting a real job if we can all just slack off, barely work and get to live in the middle of Manhattan for basically nothing?

Nobody has a right to live in Manhattan. You either work hard and pay market rate rent on the most expensive parcel of land in the United States or you move elsewhere. Why MUST they live in Manhattan? What is wrong with the outskirts of the city?

With this reasoning, why not start building public housing in the middle of Malibu, Beverly Hills and The Hamptons since they're obviously ostracized from those societies as well? Let's force Saks Fifth Avenue and Barney's to mark all designer apparel 75% off because its only fair the poor are clad in the latest fashions. Bentleys should be marked off 95% so everyone can have them too! Lets start giving the public-housing recipients free memberships to country clubs in Greenwich so we won't ostracize poor people. They pump my gas, serve my food, clean my apartment but they can't drive Bentleys, wear Dolce&Gabbana, play tennis and socialize with me at the club??!!! The nerve!

Lol the problem is that Malibu and Beverly Hills were always upper-class communities. Certain parts of Manhattan were not desirable, and these areas was where public housing was built. Once again, it's you elitist attitude that prevents your knowing the history of public housing, and why it even exists. Why are you in NYC instead of Southern California, where commmunites more suited to your idealities exist? If you don't know, one of NYC's many nicknames is "The Melting Pot", where people of every background, racial, social, economical congregate.

And even though there are projects in Manhattan, the inhabitants cant afford to "play" like you can.

[Materialism]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

Lol the problem is that Malibu and Beverly Hills were always upper-class communities. Certain parts of Manhattan were not desirable, and these areas was where public housing was built. Once again, it's you elitist attitude that prevents your knowing the history of public housing, and why it even exists. Why are you in NYC instead of Southern California, where commmunites more suited to your idealities exist? If you don't know, one of NYC's many nicknames is "The Melting Pot", where people of every background, racial, social, economical congregate.

And even though there are projects in Manhattan, the inhabitants cant afford to "play" like you can.

Beverly Hills and Malibu weren't always upper class communities.

I live in New York because its the best city on the planet. Of course there are things I can't stand about it, namely public housing but I still love it.

[Rudbeckia]

Originally Posted by Materialism

Of course I would.

That is very naive of you. Being born into poverty greatly reduces your chances of living the lifestyle your talking about. This is hard to understand, but you need to think about it, take off your strappy Manolo blancs and put yourself in someone else's shoes.

Taking all of the public housing and moving it somewhere else, you suggested the Bronx, only moves the problem, it in no way helps it . Public housing (and I am speaking generally, I am not a native NYer) does not work because all it does it create a breeding ground for poverty. Generation after generation of people are growing up living in an environment conducive only to negative experiences. Public housing (especially in this city) needs to be redone and the people integrated into society. Block after block after block of people living below the poverty level in no way helps them, nor does it benefit society.

[Materialism]

Oh and this whole affordable housing thing

I don't really have as much as a problem with it but its strange how affordable housing is still built in luxury buildiungs in Manhattan where their neighbors pay 5X more for their unit.

Lets build affordable housing in Star Island, The Hamptons and Beverly Hills so nobody will feel ostracized and we can all live hand in hand in a perfect socialist economy.

Yay!

[mead]

Honestly as Seventh has pointed out, I don't think you know too much of the history of the area.

The areas in Manhattan where there are a lot of PJs (lower east side and spanish harlem) used to be filled with tenements/slums for recent immigrants.

Here are some pics of what is today Chinatown/Little Italy from the late 19th/early 20th century:







Not exactly the most attractive neighborhoods as you seem to be portraying it.

You also should keep in mind that people in public housing are supposed to be paying 1/3 of their income for their apartment. I think this figure is low (it should probably be closer to 40% or 50% like the rest of the renters in the city) however I would not qualify 1/3 of people's income as next to nothing.

Originally Posted by Materialism

I just don't understand this sort of reasoning.

So why should anyone even bother going to college and getting a real job if we can all just slack off, barely work and get to live in the middle of Manhattan for basically nothing?

Nobody has a right to live in Manhattan. You either work hard and pay market rate rent on the most expensive parcel of land in the United States or you move elsewhere. Why MUST they live in Manhattan? What is wrong with the outskirts of the city?

With this reasoning, why not start building public housing in the middle of Malibu, Beverly Hills and The Hamptons since they're obviously ostracized from those societies as well? Let's force Saks Fifth Avenue and Barney's to mark all designer apparel 75% off because its only fair the poor are clad in the latest fashions. Bentleys should be marked off 95% so everyone can have them too! Lets start giving the public-housing recipients free memberships to country clubs in Greenwich so we won't ostracize poor people. They pump my gas, serve my food, clean my apartment but they can't drive Bentleys, wear Dolce&Gabbana, play tennis and socialize with me at the club??!!! The nerve!

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Materialism

Beverly Hills and Malibu weren't always upper class communities.

I live in New York because its the best city on the planet. Of course there are things I can't stand about it, namely public housing but I still love it.

Really, so what were they? Blue-collar?