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Old 09-24-2019, 08:09 AM
 
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I find that super annoying. They should have renamed cross streets instead, or actually just given double names (like 6th ave is also Ave of the Americas). The avenue names should be the same from top to bottom
Yeah they should. City hall will deny that the line exist but if you live uptown you notice how services change after the line. like the second ave subway just reaching E96 st (right on the line) and leave the rest for "later".
Con-edison Steam system just reaches to 96st making building sky-crappers more expensive.

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Old 09-29-2019, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Yeah they should. City hall will deny that the line exist but if you live uptown you notice how services change after the line. like the second ave subway just reaching E96 st (right on the line) and leave the rest for "later".
Con-edison Steam system just reaches to 96st making building sky-crappers more expensive.


On the East Side steam goes only up to 89th, even worse. My building misses by 3 or 4 blocks.
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Old 10-07-2019, 07:58 AM
 
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That's correct only if by nobody you actually mean everybody
Facts Lmfoa literally everybody says I’m going uptown if they going to Harlem and further
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Old 10-07-2019, 08:03 AM
 
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I semi disagree. I don’t consider anything “downtown” until we go below Canal. I agree with 59th to about 34th being mid town. I just call 14th Street to Canal The Village or SoHo depending where I am.
I actually agree with u on that . Downtown “downtown” ***** financial district etc is indeed below canal , but if your usuing downtown same as “ lower manhattan “ it would be 14th
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:00 AM
 
Location: New York City
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I actually agree with u on that . Downtown “downtown” ***** financial district etc is indeed below canal , but if your usuing downtown same as “ lower manhattan “ it would be 14th
There's no hard rule because I know plenty of people who would call 23rd street downtown
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Yeah they should. City hall will deny that the line exist but if you live uptown you notice how services change after the line. like the second ave subway just reaching E96 st (right on the line) and leave the rest for "later".
Con-edison Steam system just reaches to 96st making building sky-crappers more expensive.
Skyscrapers have nothing to do with steam and everything to do with zoning regulations. Literally every single developer gets sued into oblivion if they try to build anything on UES.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:18 PM
 
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Skyscrapers have nothing to do with steam and everything to do with zoning regulations. Literally every single developer gets sued into oblivion if they try to build anything on UES.
Steam is the one of the most important variables in building in Manhattan. without steam every single skyscraper would have some chimney on top.
also the cost of cooling the building will be high, the cost of heating, the cost of operating in general. the steam system is whats allows all this buildings to be operated
in the first place. without it, the skyline will be way different and with less shorter buildings. the economy of scale that impulses the construction of an skyscraper would not work as currently does without steam.

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Old 10-07-2019, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Steam is the one of the most important variables in building in Manhattan. without steam every single skyscraper would have some chimney on top.
also the cost of cooling the building will be high, the cost of heating, the cost of operating in general. the steam system is whats allows all this buildings to be operated
in the first place. without it, the skyline will be way different and with less shorter buildings. the economy of scale that impulses the construction of an skyscraper would not work as currently does without steam.
Again, steam absolutely does not figure in developer's plans when it comes to skyscraper construction. The costs are trivial compared to the price of land. That's why you see so many new skyscrapers being build in downtown Brooklyn and Long Island City the moment the city government relaxed zoning in those areas in 2004. Yearly cost of heating is less than the interest on the bought air rights that developer pays... If NYC would relax zoning in Harlem to ~20FAR, in 20 years 125th street would have skyscrapers/highrises everywhere, despite the fact that area has no steam.
The reason why you see certain areas having no skyscrapers, is simply because the government restricts highrise construction to less than ~5% of the land area of New York City, making developable land costs astronomically high.
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Old 10-07-2019, 05:11 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Again, steam absolutely does not figure in developer's plans when it comes to skyscraper construction. The costs are trivial compared to the price of land. That's why you see so many new skyscrapers being build in downtown Brooklyn and Long Island City the moment the city government relaxed zoning in those areas in 2004. Yearly cost of heating is less than the interest on the bought air rights that developer pays... If NYC would relax zoning in Harlem to ~20FAR, in 20 years 125th street would have skyscrapers/highrises everywhere, despite the fact that area has no steam.
The reason why you see certain areas having no skyscrapers, is simply because the government restricts highrise construction to less than ~5% of the land area of New York City, making developable land costs astronomically high.
Yeah of course, nobody cares about steam. Most cities don't even have it as an option for utilities. The shape of NYC's skyline has traditionally been dictated by the depth of Manhattan Schist. These days, technology exists to hammer pilings very deep but at added cost which goes into the equation of land cost & zoning
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Old Yesterday, 09:46 AM
 
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Yeah of course, nobody cares about steam. Most cities don't even have it as an option for utilities. The shape of NYC's skyline has traditionally been dictated by the depth of Manhattan Schist. These days, technology exists to hammer pilings very deep but at added cost which goes into the equation of land cost & zoning
This is another BS argument debunked many times,
and that poster knows what he is talking about, Steam makes skycrappers cheaper and help offset the cost of land.


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