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Old 09-22-2019, 08:13 PM
 
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Remember the Bowery and all the drunks ? That was a known occurrence for many decades but they are no longer the to my knowledge.
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Old 09-22-2019, 08:13 PM
 
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The Chinese who dig for cans are not homeless. It’s a hobby for them.
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Old 09-22-2019, 08:22 PM
 
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Remember the Bowery and all the drunks ? That was a known occurrence for many decades but they are no longer the to my knowledge.
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Time passes people fade away. Homeless first..................Gentrification later.
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Old 09-22-2019, 08:25 PM
 
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The Chinese who dig for cans are not homeless. Itís a hobby for them.
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Those towering bags of cans carried that are close to one story high? The sheer aptitude and physical strength to
perform such a wonderful balancing act scoring $ 200 bucks or more on any given quest is nothing to sneeze at!
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Old Yesterday, 05:57 PM
 
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Those towering bags of cans carried that are close to one story high? The sheer aptitude and physical strength to
perform such a wonderful balancing act scoring $ 200 bucks or more on any given quest is nothing to sneeze at!
When my daughter was 12 she told us to save up all our refundables and not give them away weekly. We saved them for months in the basement. The SUV was overflowing with cans and bottles. After nearly an hour at the machine my daughter had earned like 15 or 20 dollars. She gave up that idea of replicating it again. We might take our water bottles every fe w months but that's it. I applaud those who do it. For some I do think it's a hobby. What about those folks in the parks with metal detectors how much do they get ?
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Old Yesterday, 06:12 PM
 
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The Chinese who dig for cans are not homeless. Itís a hobby for them.
Some are truly busted and dig for recyclables for same reasons as others; but also yes, there are some Asians (mostly elderly) who live with family and or otherwise don't need to dig though garbage bags, but never the less do so for various reasons. One have heard mentioned often is the elderly don't want to be seen as living off their family and want to contribute to household finances.

You have to remember something else very important; many Asians (including Chinese) came here legally or illegally as older adults. As such they never worked on the books long enough before reaching "retirement age" to reach even bare quarters of SSA benefits. Many came here illegally and spent entire working careers in restaurants or other places working off the books. When places closed or whatever they found themselves unable to qualify for SSA benefits. It is difficult to nearly impossible to chase down employer or employers ten, twenty or more years ago and get necessary records much less have them cough up back FICA withholding payments.

There is a youngish Chinese woman who works the UES collecting bottles/cans, going through garbage bags for food (often Starbucks, but supermarkets as well). See her getting on or off the "Q" train at either 72nd or 86th, so maybe she lives or whatever in China Town since that train does stop at Canal street.

For the record Asian poverty is NYC is not unheard of, though numbers are coming down.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/opportunit...-new-york-city


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/asian...b0c46f0782a5b6

Again large part of issue is many of these Asians aren't US citizens (for whatever reasons), that makes them ineligible for much if not all federal "welfare" or other aid. Thus Albany and local NY governments must pick up the slack. Hence all those announcements of funding by Sam The Eagle from healthcare to housing "regardless of immigrant status".
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Old Yesterday, 08:55 PM
 
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Some are truly busted and dig for recyclables for same reasons as others; but also yes, there are some Asians (mostly elderly) who live with family and or otherwise don't need to dig though garbage bags, but never the less do so for various reasons. One have heard mentioned often is the elderly don't want to be seen as living off their family and want to contribute to household finances.

You have to remember something else very important; many Asians (including Chinese) came here legally or illegally as older adults. As such they never worked on the books long enough before reaching "retirement age" to reach even bare quarters of SSA benefits. Many came here illegally and spent entire working careers in restaurants or other places working off the books. When places closed or whatever they found themselves unable to qualify for SSA benefits. It is difficult to nearly impossible to chase down employer or employers ten, twenty or more years ago and get necessary records much less have them cough up back FICA withholding payments.

There is a youngish Chinese woman who works the UES collecting bottles/cans, going through garbage bags for food (often Starbucks, but supermarkets as well). See her getting on or off the "Q" train at either 72nd or 86th, so maybe she lives or whatever in China Town since that train does stop at Canal street.

For the record Asian poverty is NYC is not unheard of, though numbers are coming down.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/opportunit...-new-york-city


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/asian...b0c46f0782a5b6

Again large part of issue is many of these Asians aren't US citizens (for whatever reasons), that makes them ineligible for much if not all federal "welfare" or other aid. Thus Albany and local NY governments must pick up the slack. Hence all those announcements of funding by Sam The Eagle from healthcare to housing "regardless of immigrant status".
Trinity Wall Street in lower Manhattan does a "brown-bag" lunch for free most weekdays (sometimes it's at St. Paul's), and most of the clientele are elderly Chinese from Chinatown. There are others, but they are the majority.
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Old Today, 12:04 AM
 
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Trinity Wall Street in lower Manhattan does a "brown-bag" lunch for free most weekdays (sometimes it's at St. Paul's), and most of the clientele are elderly Chinese from Chinatown. There are others, but they are the majority.
Until we got some clients down on Chambers Street never spent that much time down there until recently. Was amazed at how many Chinese you see "dumpster diving" in garbage bags in front of stores or whatever.

There was a Housing Works down there that every single evening you'd see them either waiting for bags to go out, or already going through.

NYT did a piece on the "oldest of New Yorkers"; that is elderly > 80 years old. At least one was a Chinese lady who worked off the books much of her time in NYC, so only qualified for "bare quarters "of SS payments. City picks up the rest of tab in what Medicare or Medicaid didn't cover IIRC. She had a home health aid, etc... Something happened (didn't follow entire series), and the daughter got her into a nursing home down in NJ IIRC. Medicaid is portable I believe so if you get it in say NY, can move to NJ. That had to be it or something because IIRC the daughter/family wasn't exactly wealthy so someone had to be paying for nursing home care. Medicare doesn't cover it full time, only a set number of days.
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Old Today, 07:26 AM
 
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Until we got some clients down on Chambers Street never spent that much time down there until recently. Was amazed at how many Chinese you see "dumpster diving" in garbage bags in front of stores or whatever.

There was a Housing Works down there that every single evening you'd see them either waiting for bags to go out, or already going through.

NYT did a piece on the "oldest of New Yorkers"; that is elderly > 80 years old. At least one was a Chinese lady who worked off the books much of her time in NYC, so only qualified for "bare quarters "of SS payments. City picks up the rest of tab in what Medicare or Medicaid didn't cover IIRC. She had a home health aid, etc... Something happened (didn't follow entire series), and the daughter got her into a nursing home down in NJ IIRC. Medicaid is portable I believe so if you get it in say NY, can move to NJ. That had to be it or something because IIRC the daughter/family wasn't exactly wealthy so someone had to be paying for nursing home care. Medicare doesn't cover it full time, only a set number of days.
More amazed than the dumpster divers around your way picking out food from the dumpsters?



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Old Today, 10:06 PM
 
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Saddest thing is to see old homeless people. At the end of their lives, and this is how it will end. That pick of the NYPD asking the elderly homeless woman to move pisses me off. I want the name of that officer. A civil servant must be the most civil.

When I see the old chinese ladies going around picking up recycling, makes me sad too.
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