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Old 09-22-2019, 06:05 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Moving the city be more conducive to other modes of transport is generally good, but I don’t always with the steps taken.
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Old 09-22-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Corey Johnson has to understand that in many parts of the outer boroughs a car is a necessity. I live on S.I. I have to drive everywhere on S.I., for shopping, doctors, dining, visiting friends, etc. Neither Corey Johnson nor the 'green' fanatics can alter Staten Island's spread out nature and old road network to suit their fantasies. Parts of southwest Brooklyn, the north Bronx and eastern Queens are similar in their dependence on cars for the same reasons. No subways on S.I. or in many of the other parts of the boroughs I mentioned.



Between 2011 and 2017 car ownership in NYC increased by 155,950 (+8.83%). In that time period Brooklyn had the largest increase with 54,169 more vehicles (+13.41%).

If you exclude Manhattan, approx 53% of NYC households own a vehicle.
NYC car ownership stats (.pdf /.xlsx) - - https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?c...JzEmmBJRokhpu7
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Old 09-22-2019, 11:31 AM
 
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Yes, he wants fewer cars, but will mass transit really improve in the way he's imagining?

No, and he knows it.
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Old 09-22-2019, 11:34 AM
 
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They can have Manhattan, its design is not conducive to driving anyway. The problem is they are spreading this crap to the outer boroughs as well where “car culture” is necessary. I totally ignore bike lanes on Staten Island, as do most others, because all they are is a hassle for drivers with very little bicyclists using them. How did we get by for decades without them?

One major example:

People who live in homes go food shopping for the week (or more). We don’t have the space constraints that apartment dwellers have, or the bodega on every corner that less affluent are willing to live off of. We shop for our families in a manner which begets the need for a car to bring our multiple bags home.

We’re not bothering the leftists who want a different lifestyle for themselves, so leave us the hell alone.

Car owners tend to be a bit more well-off, just the kind of people a normal city would want to keep happy.
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Old 09-22-2019, 03:01 PM
 
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Car owners tend to be a bit more well-off, just the kind of people a normal city would want to keep happy.
It's funny because it isn't true.

Obviously you haven't been to a busted or downright poor neighborhood to see just how many own rides, because they do. That and just watched traffic to see how many are driving some old late model ride because it is all they can afford. Heck, many persons in NYCHA own rides, some of them rather sweet at that.

People will do what they have to if they need (or believe they do) a ride. If they cannot afford one outright, there are plenty of places that will finance for those with weak to disastrous credit. This isn't in just NYC area, but entire country.

Plenty of the "working poor" (those making say $30k-$40k) per in NYC own a car. Many have to for same reasons as everyone else; mass transit in their area stinks, and they have to get at least back and forth to work.
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Old 09-22-2019, 03:16 PM
 
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I think it's a good thing to use fewer cars. Good for our health, good for our budgets, and good for the environment.

Okay, but that's not the point. He could aim for fewer cars by other means - such as punitive tolls.
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Old 09-22-2019, 06:45 PM
 
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So his plan will basically be to make it so inconvenient and expensive to own a car that ppl wont get one. Meanwhile if hes mayor then him and his cabinet will be zipping around the city in SUVs with emergency lights. Rich ppl in nyc will also be still driving because they'll be able to afford the tolls and parking rates but the middle class wont
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Old 09-22-2019, 07:42 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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That's what progressive Democrats do: have government control every facet of your life. The irony is that old time liberals like Kefir King support them (mistakenly) thinking today's Democratic Party is like they were in the past when they were liberating and fighting for just causes and rights.

Today's Democrats are about heavy handed government through lots of regulations, ordinances, bans, taxes, tolls, fees, etc.
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Old 09-22-2019, 08:37 PM
 
Location: NY
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They can have Manhattan, its design is not conducive to driving anyway. The problem is they are spreading this crap to the outer boroughs as well where “car culture” is necessary. I totally ignore bike lanes on Staten Island, as do most others, because all they are is a hassle for drivers with very little bicyclists using them. How did we get by for decades without them?

One major example:

People who live in homes go food shopping for the week (or more). We don’t have the space constraints that apartment dwellers have, or the bodega on every corner that less affluent are willing to live off of. We shop for our families in a manner which begets the need for a car to bring our multiple bags home.

We’re not bothering the leftists who want a different lifestyle for themselves, so leave us the hell alone.

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Agreed. They can keep Manhattan.....but comprehension of car ownership is null and void for many Manhattan Dwellers.
Everything is at arm's length but take away their taxis,subway and credit cards would be like removing their diapers for the first time only to sadly watch them drivel and make a mess. Unfortunately that will never happen while their next door neighbor politicians vote along the same interests while showing no concern for those in the outer boroughs.
Totally clueless.
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Old 09-23-2019, 10:45 AM
 
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It's funny because it isn't true.

Obviously you haven't been to a busted or downright poor neighborhood to see just how many own rides, because they do. That and just watched traffic to see how many are driving some old late model ride because it is all they can afford. Heck, many persons in NYCHA own rides, some of them rather sweet at that.

People will do what they have to if they need (or believe they do) a ride. If they cannot afford one outright, there are plenty of places that will finance for those with weak to disastrous credit. This isn't in just NYC area, but entire country.

Plenty of the "working poor" (those making say $30k-$40k) per in NYC own a car. Many have to for same reasons as everyone else; mass transit in their area stinks, and they have to get at least back and forth to work.

Think of it this way. Even those car-owners in 'busted' neighborhoods are a bit more better off than the non-car-owners and have a bit more disposable income.
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