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Old 09-25-2019, 02:47 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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No, almost all cereals are bad because of their carb content, not sugar. Anything made with enriched flour, corn, or oat grain is just bad, especially when it comes to weight/obesity, and this covers the vast majority of cereals eaten by Americans. And to double down, these are eaten during breakfast time, which is probably one of the worst times to eat carbs anyway.
Carbs are overrated. I eat organic cereal regularly (Honey & Nut Morning O's or Honey Flakes and Oat Clusters). One bowl is not going to be a big deal. What is important is what else you eat. I don't drink sugary things at all. I drink water most of the day. Dinner is usually some sort of veggies. Sometimes I do dishes without meat. Tonight I may make organic farro with green peas and carrots. Add some seasoning to that with a little olive oil salt and pepper and it is delicious and very healthy.

The problem in America is too much fast food and the portion sizes are ridiculous. Everything in moderation.
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Old 09-25-2019, 02:54 PM
 
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Very true... One thing I have "imported" during my time living in Italy was I still have a "European breakfast" which consists of an espresso, and or a yogurt or organic fruit. On occasion, I will cook brunch on the weekends, but eggs, and bacon and those things are done only a few times a year and they are made at home. Bacon is put in the oven (a few strips - not a whole pack of bacon), and if I have bread with it, it is always wheat bread and organic at that. I really focus on organic as much as possible. The less processed the better. I LOVE things like french fries, but I make mine in the oven at home, and it's a regular portion size. Much healthier that way. Small amount of olive oil with sea salt and that is it.
Take pasta, in Italy it isn't normally a main dish heaped onto a plate drowned in sauce. But ever since some clever persons came up with "spaghetti and meat balls" (which technically doesn't or didn't exist in Italy, but places will do it for tourist trade), Americans believe an Italian meal is a huge plate of pasta with *huge* meatballs.

Friend whose family is right off the boat has us in stitches when he talks about making the adjustment to America. As a kid one of his schoolmates invited him to dinner/sleepover. The mother thinking she'd make the kid feel at home made.. you guessed it spaghetti and meatballs. Now this kid hadn't seen a "meatball" in his life until coming to USA, much less the soft ball sized things most Americans make. He also wasn't used to having "just" pasta for dinner either. Wisely being well brought up he kept his mouth shut and just ate what was put in front of him.

Look at this table from famous "Anthony/Prince Spaghetti" commercial. You see a nice medley of foods besides pasta for dinner including a meat dish.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ti1hnLiLw
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Old 09-25-2019, 03:06 PM
 
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American obesity rates began shooting up (with correlating increase in cardiovascular disease, diabetes and other associated issues), during post WWII boom.

America was now an undisputed superpower and with a booming economy times were good. Consumption of red meat increased. As did high fat dairy, sugar and other not so good for you things. Fast food (all those burger joints), Coca-cola etc....

By the 1960's and 1970's people began dropping like flies from cardio vascular and other diseases associated with obesity. The bad economy of 1970's (with rampant inflation), in a away helped because food prices were insane. But many households just switched to less expensive cuts/bits of meat and ate more of it. Ground chuck or round was used extensively, often extended with fillers like eggs and breadcrumbs to stretch a pound to feed several mouths.

Trans fats, introduction of high fructose sugar and or other sweeteners into nearly everything just piled on abuse.

My mom monitored her children's diet like a hawk. Rarely if ever did sugar laden cereal make its way into her shopping cart. We had oatmeal nearly every morning except during really warm weather. Sugar bowl was off limits to us kids at breakfast (the old man of course had to have it in his coffee), so even when we had cold cereal it was without added sugar.

Snacking was monitored as well. The famous (put that back, your dinner will be ready soon", was commonly heard. Never mind it was 4PM and we didn't eat until the old man got home at around 630PM or so...
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Old 09-25-2019, 03:19 PM
 
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He's at it again....., Richard Carranza and his minions are gunning for a white milk only policy for NYC public schools.
I have no problem with that. I hope they crack down on any vending machines selling soda, too.
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Old 09-25-2019, 05:10 PM
 
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In most European and other cultures there is a thing about being in control of oneself. This includes all lusts, wants, etc.... As such French, German, and others from basically toddlers are taught to restraint. This translates into not constantly snacking all the time, and eating moderate portions of food.

Some of this can of course few nations are like the United States post WWII with an abundance (some would say over abundance) of cheap food.

Americans eat far too much garbage and do so too often, which leads to obesity.

Was on the "Q" train several weeks ago and this really fat young woman got on at 72nd; we're talking even her face was so fat her nose was "sinking" into it to point it was difficult for her glasses to rest on bridge.

Soon as she got on train reaches into a packed Mikey D's bag, grabs a huge burger and begins chowing down as if she hadn't seen a meal in days. Judging how that bag was still full my guess there was one, two or more burgers (and maybe several helpings of fries) still inside.

Concept of "all you can eat" buffet was invented by and largely exists in USA. That should tell you something.

Yes, some of it is genetics, and or related to sex (females tend to put on weight especially if they've had children), but still the obesity epidemic in USA has been going on post WWII.

Interestingly in Asian, South American and other nations where American conglomerates such as Mikey D's, Cocoa Cola, and others have made inroads pushing their wares, obesity rates have sharply risen.

In short the fast food/western diet that is killing Americans is being exported: https://foodtank.com/news/2013/08/we...d-diabetes-sk/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ty-nestle.html

Im am cracking up just picturing this .

Icing on the cake would have been if her fat arse wedged herself into the middle seat lmao
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Old 09-25-2019, 06:31 PM
 
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Im am cracking up just picturing this .

Icing on the cake would have been if her fat arse wedged herself into the middle seat lmao

By time she got on that downtown train was packed, wasn't a seat/space available.

Have noticed when trains are packed it's always a big girl (or guy) that tries to shove themselves into a space barely large enough for a small child. This past summer with all that hot and moist weather it was just too much some times. I would just get up and let them have the space.....
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Old 09-25-2019, 06:32 PM
 
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I have no problem with that. I hope they crack down on any vending machines selling soda, too.
Can't be sure but didn't vending machines get the heave ho from NYC public schools years ago?
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Old 09-25-2019, 06:49 PM
 
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Actually, wheat/bread products are not that common in the day to day diet, compared to, for example American burger buns or sandwiches, breaded meat, or fries. Also, fatty meats are a lot more valued and eaten a lot more often. Things like eggs, pork belly, melted pork fat, or fatty beef are valued (for example, Kobe beef is literally the fattiest type of beef you can get and it doesn't even taste like meat, as the fat melts in your mouth). A lot more vegetable content in the diet as well. In short, American diet is carbs + sugar, while proper diet should be protein + vegetables. If your diet is already good, supplementing up to 1/4 of your calories with carbs such as rice or potatoes will still keep you skinny. A common phenomenon nowadays is "beer gut", when it should be properly called "carb gut".
East Asia is really large and the northern portions especially consume a lot of wheat in place of rice. We're talking about wheat three meals a day as buns, dumplings, and noodles. Pork belly, melted pork fat, etc. are valued, but they were and to some extent still are used as a flavoring often for vegetable-heavy dishes. Breaded and fried dishes also aren't too uncommon depending on where you're talking. One thing most East Asian consists a lot more of is vegetables of all types, so that part's right so it's more like East Asian diets are heavy on grains and vegetables. Portion sizes also aren't generally nearly as large. As for beer gut, South Koreans, and to a lesser extent, Japanese habits are a lot more alcohol heavy than the US and that includes a lot of cheap beer.

My guess is that a large component of all this is total caloric intake and caloric expenditure in being active than anything, though there have been arguments about how our more common foods seldom leave people feeling full. Portions in the US are huge and we're one of the more sedentary cultures out there due to how much as a whole people here rely on driving everywhere instead of walking.
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Old 09-26-2019, 12:08 AM
 
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I don't find the portion sizes at restaurants here in Germany or any other country I've been to be smaller than the US. The exceptions would be those red sauce joints and homestyle Southern restaurants, but even here there are plenty of places with huge portions.
I went to a Lebanese place and the portions were enormous, I like to eat and still couldn't finish.
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Old 09-26-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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Yes the lunches should be healthy, but I really don't think chocolate milk is a big issue. The ultra liberals seem to think that kids should not have anything that doesn't align with their health nut views.

What's next, will they push veganism on kids?
The conservatives seem to think that people can't do anything that doesn't align with their religious nut views. Any different?
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