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Old Today, 11:43 AM
 
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If they're so horny about shutting down Rikers prison then just convert the whole thing into the world's largest homeless shelter. It'll even be very familiar to many homeless, there's no place like home!
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Old Today, 11:54 AM
 
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What a shocker. I'm actually surprised to hear that there were plans to put a shelter on the UWS. I thought they were just dumping this on middle class taxpayer neighborhoods in the outer boroughs, as usual.
The Upper West Side has always had plenty of homeless shelters. Do you think that those deranged looking people walking up and down Amsterdam Avenue are just there by chance? Visit that area in the West 80s and you will see what I'm talking about.
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The Upper West Side has always had plenty of homeless shelters. Do you think that those deranged looking people walking up and down Amsterdam Avenue are just there by chance? Visit that area in the West 80s and you will see what I'm talking about.
UWS historically had plenty of residence hotels (going back to early part of last century), as did some other areas all along west side from Chelsea to Harlem.

As tastes changed and residence hotels went out of fashion for better paying tourists things changed. Some were closed and torn down (redeveloped), others just busted down the line from top shelf to flea bag hotels.

More still were converted into co-ops or luxury apartments (the Barbizon on UES was once a residential hotel for women).

However post WWII many of what was left ended up just as they did elsewhere in USA; they became single room occupancy accommodations. In the beginning this wasn't so bad universally. Many persons who were working but not totally busted could find housing in such places. However a large majority became one step up from a flop house. Things got so bad that by the 1960's or so NYS and others forbade any new SRO hotels from being built/opened.

Starting in 1970's when the wave of deinstitutionalization began sweeping mental hospitals people needed a place to go; and since state wasn't building nearly enough supportive housing, the mentally ill (now armed with Medicaid checks) moved into SRO hotels. Most were abused by the owners of such places (forcing them to sign over their checks, charging high fees to "cash" them, offering to "loan" money at high rates (with fees) against their checks, etc...), turning most SRO hotels into such horrible places that often what was left of decent people packed up and moved.

Yes, when first waves of homeless numbers began to rise in 1970's and 1980's city turned to SRO and other flea bag/budget hotels for housing. These places in short became known as "welfare hotels".

Then mayor Koch turned a blind eye as his real estate buddies used harassment of all sorts (including arson, violence, and other not very nice methods) to empty out SRO hotels so property could be redeveloped. It worked for some, but city soon passed laws that put a stop to that (in theory), but wouldn't have teeth until after Koch left office.

Because remaining SRO hotels are largely concentrated on west side that is reason why you see so many homeless, busted, mentally ill, etc... characters roaming about. City and state simply are making use of what is already in place.

When you walk around Chelsea, especially 8th avenue from say 14th up to near (or even past Penn Station) that hot mess of druggies, mentally ill, and other suspects live in the various supportive, SRO and other such housing still down there.
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