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Old 10-02-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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I should have specified "non-immigrant, non-hipster whites". Whether or not it it actually true, I do see people on here use "working class whites" to refer to them, often in a romanticized fashion. But I would say those of them who haven't left NYC yet tend to be middle class, and their kids even more so.
Blue collar people can make over 100k per year, that is not working class. Meanwhile someone working at a JC Penny is technically white collar but very likely working class.
Retail is not a white collar job.

And someone can be earning 100K at a blue collar job and still be working class. Class is not only income but also education level,
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:43 PM
 
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Retail is not a white collar job.

And someone can be earning 100K at a blue collar job and still be working class. Class is not only income but also education level,
Class is education level? Then what class would a homeless alcoholic with a PhD be?
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:37 AM
 
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Class is education level? Then what class would a homeless alcoholic with a PhD be?
A homeless alcoholic with a PhD would not be "working class".
He would be considered a middle class or upper middle class person who fell on hard times.
After all, if he cleans himself up, goes to rehab, he has the earning power of someone with a PhD.

Class is generally determined by taking into account not only current income but also education level, level of savings/assets, etc.

For example, a plumber who earns 100K might still be considered working class.

As might a nurse/RN who earns 55K.

While a social worker or teacher who earn 45K may be considered middle class. (Most people do not consider teachers working class) Why? Because it takes more education in many cases to be a social worker or a teacher than to be an RN, but RN's may still earn more.

Policemen who earn 70K? Working class.
See?
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:29 AM
 
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A homeless alcoholic with a PhD would not be "working class".
He would be considered a middle class or upper middle class person who fell on hard times.
After all, if he cleans himself up, goes to rehab, he has the earning power of someone with a PhD.

Class is generally determined by taking into account not only current income but also education level, level of savings/assets, etc.

For example, a plumber who earns 100K might still be considered working class.

As might a nurse/RN who earns 55K.

While a social worker or teacher who earn 45K may be considered middle class. (Most people do not consider teachers working class) Why? Because it takes more education in many cases to be a social worker or a teacher than to be an RN, but RN's may still earn more.

Policemen who earn 70K? Working class.
See?
Good post. Americans have a poor understanding of class difference. You illustrated this brilliantly.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:39 AM
 
Location: NY
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Simple; in areas where people will not sell to "outsiders" they cannot gain a foothold. This prevents an area from tipping then wholesale white flight leading to a place becoming a broke/busted hood.
I worked the Northern Tip of the Rock for a few years back in the early 80's.
The change was subtle but resentment was in the air back then. You can not just
plop a Housing Project and plant trees all around the complex and hide it from public view.
It did not sit or digest well with those that lived adjacent in beautiful homes. Those that worked their
fingers to the bone and saved up enough money to move away from their impoverished beginnings only
to find their impoverished beginnings in the form of Housing projects come back to haunt them.

It boggles the mind how beautiful buildings on the waters edge costing millions to own a peace of that
real estate share space with a housing project in same location. ( Example: Coney Island Houses )
It boggles the mind how high rise structures costing millions share space in prime Manhattan locations
like Lincoln Center with Housing projects. Such a lucrative location that relatives of a former President
of New York City Housing Authority once resided there. (Example: Amsterdam Houses)
I never wanted to understand the Socialist reasoning. The prize should only be offered to those who work for it
unlike the stupidity in public schools of equal across the board train of thought "every body gets a prize for participating "
rather than handing out the Gold ,Silver and Bronze Medals to those who worked hard and are truly deserving of that prize.
Sad.....Sad.......New York City .....Sad....Sad......Sanctuary City....Sad ....Sad .....Sad.....Socialist City...

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Old 10-03-2019, 11:17 AM
 
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Good post. Americans have a poor understanding of class difference. You illustrated this brilliantly.
Yeah I was going to say. Shoshanana is probably making more $$$ than people with working brains and logic.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:01 PM
 
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Yeah I was going to say. Shoshanana is probably making more $$$ than people with working brains and logic.
See that's just it: for white collar/middle class people, it's not all about money.
For working class/blue collar people, it is.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:31 PM
 
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See that's just it: for white collar/middle class people, it's not all about money.
For working class/blue collar people, it is.
Economic class is not about character. Working class is largely used to mean "not dirt poor but below middle class"
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:35 PM
 
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Economic class is not about character. Working class is largely used to mean "not dirt poor but below middle class"
No. It's also about the kind of work someone does and the education level they have.

Do they have a college degree? A Master's degree?
Do they work with their brain, or with their hands?
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:58 PM
 
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No. It's also about the kind of work someone does and the education level they have.

Do they have a college degree? A Master's degree?
Do they work with their brain, or with their hands?
I like that

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