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Old Yesterday, 07:30 AM
 
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Old Yesterday, 07:51 AM
 
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In 2003 my mom died. She was my only family. I was in my early 20's. All I inherited from her was roughly a $3000 tax refund. My rent was $680, and even with a job it was draining fast. The landlord was gonna make the rent $840 at the next lease but, even $680 was still too much.

I was desperate, there was a war on, and the Army was even taking felons. My only crime was poverty, no drugs, no record, healthy enough to do push ups, I was almost medically underweight cuz'I didn't eat enough. When I shipped out to Basic my account was $230 and, my lease was not renewed. I was very close to becoming homeless.

I was lucky there was money to be made risking my life in muslim countries, that opportunity is not really present today for as many people; Wartime recruiting you can be Gomer Pyle, Peacetime recruiting ya gotta be Captain America (after the serum).

On Grand Concourse a man can barely get a room for $700 a month, and you need a job to go through one of those room/flophouse agencies they got on Jerome Ave or Grand Concourse.
Proud of you. You did the lemonade out of a lifetime of lemons. Must have been very traumatic at the time. Now Rage X you have empathty. When people deal one on one with the homeless, they hear actual stories and see how vulnerable we all could be, or our loved ones. Instead of viewing homeless people as all drug addicts or lazy. Even if many of the homeless are on drugs we would find they are also schizophrenic self medicating. Anyway the first step in helping is caring
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Old Yesterday, 09:02 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Sometimes a spouse or parent dies. The survivors after the life insurance, if they had any is exhausted, they can't afford their home. No family to take them in and they are homeless. I have know of young adults who lost their care givers and couldn't pay the rent. They end up homeless. People get sick, can't work, even if they get Disabality they can't afford their rent. If they can't get assistance with rent they end up homeless. When rents are 1400 a month in the South Bronx for a Studio, I think you can see why some people are homeless.
If you are young and abled-bodied, you should not be homeless longterm. I can understand being temporarily homeless in the situation you described but it should only be temporary. The reason why they remain homeless is what's in their head, not economics or lack of opportunities.

As for 1400 month, that's just silly. NYC is like .0002% of the area of the country. There is absolutely no reason to stay here when there is 99.9998% of the country that will not cost that much to live on.

All excuses. Plenty of people come from elsewhere, with no skills, speaks no English, has no education and no family and yet manage to find work, save money to send home and sometimes even become managers, chefs, or own their own company.

Like I said, in this land of plenty, homeless is a social and cultural issue, not economic.

Giving them free money will not solve their problems. It will make it worse.
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Old Yesterday, 11:27 AM
 
Location: NY
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Dear Lord...........Now the Homeless are eating each other.
Let's not group all the homeless under one title with this question.
What is this murderer's status in this country?
Mental Issues? Career Criminal? Drug Addict?
Different approaches to different problems.

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Old Yesterday, 11:33 AM
 
Location: NY
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instead of allowing the wealth flowing into a few deep pockets and never get spent, let's distribute the wealth to those who desperately need help so they get on their feet again to become functional again and contribute to the continuous growth of societal wealth...by no means I am advocating socialism as old bernie or other crazy dems are doing. on the other hand market force alone is losing its ability to keep competitions fair or opportunities equal as your old text book preaches. additional forces are needed to keep things in better balance ans sustainable...
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Redistribute Wealth? Disagree.
What I would agree on is:
Set aside moneys from taxes imposed equally across the board to all Americans to fund a pool to
protect all who contribute in the event a contributor one day falls from grace from becoming homeless.
Kind of an Insurance Program...........
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Old Yesterday, 12:47 PM
 
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Old Yesterday, 02:07 PM
 
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Homeless bums killed each other all the time for decades they use to dump the bodies at riverside 165 street what is now a dog park also the near the river!
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Old Yesterday, 02:19 PM
 
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Proud of you. You did the lemonade out of a lifetime of lemons. Must have been very traumatic at the time. Now Rage X you have empathty. When people deal one on one with the homeless, they hear actual stories and see how vulnerable we all could be, or our loved ones. Instead of viewing homeless people as all drug addicts or lazy. Even if many of the homeless are on drugs we would find they are also schizophrenic self medicating. Anyway the first step in helping is caring
I am not empathetic per se, but I do realize there are a lot of people who are in a hard way for things that aren't their fault.

Some car crashes, a whole family dies, leaves only one homless teenager to be abused in foster care... Army was her way out.

What about people that are too hurt to join the Army and I don't mean flat-footed, I mean hard breaks or a condition? I hurt for people that are just born into such bad luck.

...oh and divorce, one bad judge can turn a finacially strong capable man into a sad sack sleeping in his Honda Civic hatchback almost overnight.

Too many people abuse the system and consume resources from people that actually need them and, are willing to do some kind of work for them.
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Old Yesterday, 02:26 PM
 
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Homeless is not a byproduct of lack of economic opportunities. We are the richest country in the history of the world. There are economic opportunities everywhere here. So much so that the rest of the world is trying to get in and take advantage of those opportunities. We have so much economic opportunities that we don't even have enough people to fill it and have to import people. So that alone you are wrong.

Homeless instead is a social and cultural problem (drugs, alcohol, over dependence on others, welfare mentality, overregulation, etc.). Throwing Bezos money at it won't solve it until you solve the root cause of the social and cultural part of it.



You have limited understandings of the root and psychological basis of such problems but relying on superficial judgements to back up your argument. If I were unmotivated early in my life to climb up the education ladder to land myself a reasonably well paid and relatively secure job, but instead got stuck at the bottom of the food chain struggling with doing whatever services or physically taxing job only in exchange of surviving day to day, I would feel hopeless to struggle through the rest of my life and would probably go "easy" and give up and sleep on the street.



If the society can diminish the pay gap between the top tier jobs and bottom tier jobs to provide sufficient incentive and hope for unskilled workers, it is likely to draw and retain more unskilled people in the work force to support themselves to reduce the need of cheap foreign labors while solving the unemployment and homeless issue. Do you not agree that it is beyond inhumane that for someone like bezos who is constantly making millions any time of the day, regardless of what he's doing, even if he is up to some new toxic business models to screw up yet another millions of small business owners, while for someone like "antinimby" who waits the table 12 hours a day serving and helping other people but gets paid barley enough to cover his or her rent and basic healthcare expenses? I work a "white collar" job and enjoy working and making better use of what I have in my brain, but I understand many people are different and more willing to live a laid back life. Regardless of what job one does, it is incorrect for them to be paid beyond Nx the average payline while leaving so many struggling with minimum pay so badly that drive many of them to quit and give up trying.



Have you not met people complaining that their pay is so depressingly low despite the good effort they are willing to put into their job so that they do not think it is worth of continuing? That is when mental and psychological stresses and needs of alcohol and drugs arise to cope with the harsh reality. Few people were born to be motivated to get to the top, and few were born with the desire to become homeless or depend on others. A healthy pay-reward system and distribution of societal wealth will solve a lot of the problems for everyone in this country. This is nothing of socialism but about fairness and justice.
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Old Yesterday, 02:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mr.Retired View Post
Opinion:
Redistribute Wealth? Disagree.
What I would agree on is:
Set aside moneys from taxes imposed equally across the board to all Americans to fund a pool to
protect all who contribute in the event a contributor one day falls from grace from becoming homeless.
Kind of an Insurance Program...........



there is no one solution to this growing problem...what ever solutions that your brilliant mind could come up to help this country to become fairer and provide more opportunities and incentives for everyone to stay in the workforce and live better lives are all appreciated...
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