Sean Bell Trial (Liverpool, Hope: city hall, living, residential)

[SilkCity0416]

^^^^ the number of shots is relevent. We're talking about a residental nabe in Queens, not some open field in the country. These cops fired 50 rounds at a car, why didn't all of them hit their intented target? If half of the 50 shots hit the car, then the other 25 missed their mark. One bullet even hit the JFK terminal. We can't have cops on the street throwing bullets as if it is candy. Thank God a person wasn't hit by a stray.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

Criminal histories are important to credibility on the witness stand. And particularly so when the defendants are cops. Do you think that someone with a record, who has done time, might testify less than truthfully against the cops?

Again, what people may commonly believe is reckless behavior does not necessarily fit within the law. There is an intent or state of mind that goes along with that in order to meet the requirements of the law. If this had been a running gun battle between the cops and some bad guys, would you still think that a bullet through the air terminal was reckless?

well if thats the case then why would their testimony even be considered credible if they have a criminal background? it seems like they're getting written off even before the trial begins with that logic. and if it was a running gun battle, i still would think that it would be reckless because if you really think about, the cops would be trying to hit a moving target. and i assume attempting to shoot and successfully hit a moving target would be more difficult than hitting one thats standing still. i would assume that if the cops were chasing somebody on the street, and the guy started shooting while he was running, they would call for backup while still following the guy until they had enough units in the area to surround the perp.

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

well if thats the case then why would their testimony even be considered credible if they have a criminal background? it seems like they're getting written off even before the trial begins with that logic. and if it was a running gun battle, i still would think that it would be reckless because if you really think about, the cops would be trying to hit a moving target. and i assume attempting to shoot and successfully hit a moving target would be more difficult than hitting one thats standing still. i would assume that if the cops were chasing somebody on the street, and the guy started shooting while he was running, they would call for backup while still following the guy until they had enough units in the area to surround the perp.

There are those in the legal field who believe that this case should have never been brought to trial. The prosecution's case was weak from the beginning, but the DA is subject to political pressures.

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by SilkCity0416

^^^^ the number of shots is relevent. We're talking about a residental nabe in Queens, not some open field in the country. These cops fired 50 rounds at a car, why didn't all of them hit their intented target? If half of the 50 shots hit the car, then the other 25 missed their mark. One bullet even hit the JFK terminal. We can't have cops on the street throwing bullets as if it is candy. Thank God a person wasn't hit by a stray.

In a gun battle, most shots don't hit their intended target. This isn't television -- one shot shoots the gun out of the bad guy's hand. A gun battle is an adrenaline-pumping, mind-numbing, totally frightening scenario, even for the best trained and most experienced cops. Cops are trained to withhold fire if a civilian not involved in the gunfight is in the line of fire. But bullets travel. Would you have a cop not try to defend himself because of the off-chance that a stray bullet might hit someone three blocks away? That cop wants to go home at the end of his shift -- in one piece. What would you do?

By the way, no bullet struck the JFK terminal. This is how rumors get started. A stray bullet struck the Airtrain terminal nearby. The airport is a distance away.

[ogplife]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

In a gun battle, most shots don't hit their intended target. This isn't television -- one shot shoots the gun out of the bad guy's hand. A gun battle is an adrenaline-pumping, mind-numbing, totally frightening scenario, even for the best trained and most experienced cops. Cops are trained to withhold fire if a civilian not involved in the gunfight is in the line of fire. But bullets travel. Would you have a cop not try to defend himself because of the off-chance that a stray bullet might hit someone three blocks away? That cop wants to go home at the end of his shift -- in one piece. What would you do?

By the way, no bullet struck the JFK terminal. This is how rumors get started. A stray bullet struck the Airtrain terminal nearby. The airport is a distance away.

I can imagine the adrenaline rush they got from shooting at unarmed citizens.

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by ogplife

I can imagine the adrenaline rush they got from shooting at unarmed citizens.

Quite a nasty comment. Do you think they enjoyed shooting anyone? You seem to have a warped view of the world. I suggest some counseling.

[bbguy05]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

It's your ignorance of the law that keeps you from understanding my argument. Unfortunately, your OPINION does match the facts or the law and is therefore irrelevant in this case. Too bad.

Wow you don't make any sense, but good luck with that.

You still have failed to PROVE anything that you say, so anything that you type is just out of your a** for all I care.

[ogplife]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

In a gun battle, most shots don't hit their intended target. This isn't television -- one shot shoots the gun out of the bad guy's hand. A gun battle is an adrenaline-pumping, mind-numbing, totally frightening scenario, even for the best trained and most experienced cops. Cops are trained to withhold fire if a civilian not involved in the gunfight is in the line of fire. But bullets travel. Would you have a cop not try to defend himself because of the off-chance that a stray bullet might hit someone three blocks away? That cop wants to go home at the end of his shift -- in one piece. What would you do?

By the way, no bullet struck the JFK terminal. This is how rumors get started. A stray bullet struck the Airtrain terminal nearby. The airport is a distance away.

You say I need counseling I say you need a reality check. When you can explain "gun battle" that existed in this case I will respond to you again. One more thing and I promise not to respond to your ignorance again. A gun battle between two thugs on the street should be an "adrenaline-pumping, mind numbing, totally frightening experience". A trained "professional" officer should be much more poised in this situation.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

There are those in the legal field who believe that this case should have never been brought to trial. The prosecution's case was weak from the beginning, but the DA is subject to political pressures.

if they ddint bring it to trial, what was the other option? settling out of court?

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

You're painting the police with a fairly broad brush -- and quite incorrectly. Most cops have college education, many on the graduate and post-graduate level. I'm willing to bet that a significant number of them have a better education than you do. Maybe it's the way you interact with them that provides such a bad experience for you.

And by the way, NYC cops don't make an outrageous salary. It's enough to barely survive in the NY metro area.

I don't even have a college education, but I also don't have a job where if I screw something up it leaves unarmed civilians dead or paralyzed. Those in the profession of my friends and family are the ones who couldn't cut it anywhere else in life. My experience with officers I've personally crossed paths with is like what most others experience - frustration! Frustrating that natural selection not only allowed these people to be born but also frustrating that I pay their salary. I guess the joke is on all of us poor suckers who didn't realize all it takes to get by is an associates degree and a passion for donuts.

I'm not religious at all, but if there is a god I'm sure he's got a special place in hell for every crooked, lying, sh** eating cop that ever lived.