Sean Bell Trial (to live, cars, roach)

[Rudbeckia]

Great post samyn. I do not understand why people worship him. This case has nothing to with race, yet he is screaming racism. I just don't get why people don't see right through him. He just drives the race wedge deeper and deeper.

[Wicked Felina]

Originally Posted by samyn on the green

Have to give Sharpton credit for having tremendous courage in the face of truth and the overwhelming pull of changing times. His personality is bigger than life and he is the human articulation of a people that refuses to better themselves. He is willing to go against members of his own community, cops that work a hard job and put their butts on the line, while standing up for a crew that is out at the most notorious (drugs, whores, crack, heroin)area in Jamaica 8 hours before he is supposed to be married.

He does not let being wrong or completely ridiculous get in the way of his outlandish rabble rousing. He had the crowd outside the courthouse shouting KKK at the two black officers and the Caribbean one too. Do you think the KKK would have admitted those three to their ranks? Even with an increasingly Black and Latino Police force Sharpton still uses the old racist white NYPD mantra years after it had some truth. He will not let the cultural responsibility deferral die and the people love him for it.

This is a man who makes no sense whatsoever, put still sticks to his guns and plays his race cards over and over. The masses love him for it because he validates deep seated emotions of anger, a very real feeling among a marginalized population. It is sure easier to play a race card than to take personal responsibility and Sharpton leads the way in blaming the man, even if the man now looks like you and me.

Wish I had the words to've said that! I remember when several officers where charged with assaulting a young black girl years ago. She re-canted, and officers were found innocent - I don't remember the specifics, I think her name was Tawana Bradley??? Did sharpton apologize for his attepts to incite a riot, much like he is attemting now, or for making racist comments about the officers? He knows they were innocent.

If there is any civil unrest over this sad shooting of Mr. Bell, it is on the shoulders of sharpton and the people who follow him. You're correct, he deliberately "drives the race wedge deeper and deeper."

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by Shizzles

When a young black man murders another young black man, no one protests. What's the difference between being shot by a cop and shot by a thug?

If your loved one is shot by a thug, you get nothing. So there's nothing to talk about, nothing to "protest" to the media about, no cause to rally behind. Your loved one is dead; you mourn, you pay for the funeral, etc.

However, if your loved one is shot by a cop, there's a potential multi-million dollar payday via lawsuit! Ca-ching!!!!!

The loved one sadly has no extra worth when killed by a thug. But if killed by cop? They are actually worth much more dead than alive, exactly like people with large life insurance policies are literally worth more dead than alive.

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by baylovers

Yes, and that is why there are separate laws for police officers. And that is why the current salary structure is an injustice. And that is why the training received in the academy is just a "cover your ass" protocol. All of these things need to be addressed to ensure a professional police agency. Perhaps you are blaming the wrong people, the fingers should pointing at the city council, city hall and One Police Plaza.

Yes, you're absolutely right. The real problem I'm complaining about lies with the politicians and penny pinchers behind the scenes. If the cops got paid a guaranteed million dollars a year each I wouldn't care, so long as they had something approaching the proper education and training to do their job. You know this isn't the case currently, and yes I still blame the officers themselves for accepting a role as part of this backwards system. I'm sure you won't admit it, but you know most look at it as an easy paycheck and ticket out of their mother's basement, not as a public service that demands integrity, compassion and intelligence.

[Queens2QueenCity]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

If your loved one is shot by a thug, you get nothing. So there's nothing to talk about, nothing to "protest" to the media about, no cause to rally behind. Your loved one is dead; you mourn, you pay for the funeral, etc.

However, if your loved one is shot by a cop, there's a potential multi-million dollar payday via lawsuit! Ca-ching!!!!!

The loved one sadly has no extra worth when killed by a thug. But if killed by cop? They are actually worth much more dead than alive, exactly like people with large life insurance policies are literally worth more dead than alive.

Pretty disgusting statements! I will surmise that you feel it was a good thing for the Bell widow and family that he was killed as they have now hit the jackpot, eh? I'm sure growing up his family told him like my family told me "don't be stupid and get shot by a regular person make sure they have a badge first, so we can get paid!".Perhaps his family instructed Sean to get killed by cops on his WEDDING DAY so that the family doesn't have to work anymore?

Ask yourself this, if a relative was killed by a policeman's who thought that person had what looked like a gun and fired while he/she was reaching for it would you just let it pass? Wouldn't you want changes in policy? Wouldn't you want punitive damages?

[Queens2QueenCity]

Originally Posted by samyn on the green

Have to give Sharpton credit for having tremendous courage in the face of truth and the overwhelming pull of changing times. His personality is bigger than life and he is the human articulation of a people that refuses to better themselves. He is willing to go against members of his own community, cops that work a hard job and put their butts on the line, while standing up for a crew that is out at the most notorious (drugs, whores, crack, heroin)area in Jamaica 8 hours before he is supposed to be married.

He does not let being wrong or completely ridiculous get in the way of his outlandish rabble rousing. He had the crowd outside the courthouse shouting KKK at the two black officers and the Caribbean one too. Do you think the KKK would have admitted those three to their ranks? Even with an increasingly Black and Latino Police force Sharpton still uses the old racist white NYPD mantra years after it had some truth. He will not let the cultural responsibility deferral die and the people love him for it.

This is a man who makes no sense whatsoever, put still sticks to his guns and plays his race cards over and over. The masses love him for it because he validates deep seated emotions of anger, a very real feeling among a marginalized population. It is sure easier to play a race card than to take personal responsibility and Sharpton leads the way in blaming the man, even if the man now looks like you and me.

Why are some of you always focused on Sharpton. Don't let your hatred for him jade the issue at hand. He did not instruct the crowd to scream out KKK that was how they felt.I don't always agree with his views or tactics but he and the Bell family should have the right to be outraged. They pump 50 bullets into a car of unarmed men. The procedure used by the officers that fatal night was so erroneous because Isnora in plainclothes who was in the club should not have been the first to approach those men. If I'm in that situation I'm trying to mow down apparent car-jackers also. I also don't think he is playing the race card but rather questioning why this only happens to young black men who were doing nothing wrong at the time.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by Queens2QueenCity

Pretty disgusting statements! I will surmise that you feel it was a good thing for the Bell widow and family that he was killed as they have now hit the jackpot, eh? I'm sure growing up his family told him like my family told me "don't be stupid and get shot by a regular person make sure they have a badge first, so we can get paid!".Perhaps his family instructed Sean to get killed by cops on his WEDDING DAY so that the family doesn't have to work anymore?

Ask yourself this, if a relative was killed by a policeman's who thought that person had what looked like a gun and fired while he/she was reaching for it would you just let it pass? Wouldn't you want changes in policy? Wouldn't you want punitive damages?

I was answering THIS question from another poster as to why there are no protests if a person is shot by a NON-POLICE as opposed to being shot by a POLICE. Money is the most obvious answer.

"When a young black man murders another young black man, no one protests. What's the difference between being shot by a cop and shot by a thug?"

There have been cases in the past when an unarmed civillian was shot while reaching for something that is not a gun because the police THOUGHT THEY WERE IN DANGER. What policy would you like to change? The police have to stand there and wait to be possibly shot? Nothing is going to be changed in policy. The law is the way it is because if it wasn't that way, how could cops do their jobs?

The bottom line is, the only upside that can come to anyone in this situation is money from the City. There are no protests against gangbangers, drug dealing and gun violence in the community, even though these things kill countless more young men than the police do. Why not? Shouldn't there be a "policy change" regarding that? Nobody will get paid, so nobody bothers. Sorry, but the truth isn't pretty sometimes.

I am not happy Sean Bell is dead. I am not happy that two children will grow up without their father. Whether he was a model citizen or not, nobody has a right to say it's good that he's dead.

None of us know what really happened that night; what really transpired in those few seconds. Even if they identified themselves, perhaps Sean Bell didn't believe the officers were really police and thought they were stickup kids looking to rob him and that's why he rammed the car at them. The police had literally seconds to respond to a car hurtling at them (deadly force) and they did so with deadly force from guns. It's a tragedy all around and it happened too fast for people to stand around and think it over. But the police are only human and so was Sean Bell. All of them contributed to this tragedy and trying to assign 100% blame to anyone or to any "policy" of the police is not going to work.

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

Yes, you're absolutely right. The real problem I'm complaining about lies with the politicians and penny pinchers behind the scenes. If the cops got paid a guaranteed million dollars a year each I wouldn't care, so long as they had something approaching the proper education and training to do their job. You know this isn't the case currently, and yes I still blame the officers themselves for accepting a role as part of this backwards system. I'm sure you won't admit it, but you know most look at it as an easy paycheck and ticket out of their mother's basement, not as a public service that demands integrity, compassion and intelligence.

Quite an inflammatory statement. How dare you blame the "...officers for accepting a role as part of this backwards system." The system isn't perfect -- but no system is. The cops in NYC do a tremendous job given what they have to work with. And to take the job for the money they get and the nonsense they have to put up with, they have to regard it as a higher calling. From this and other posts, you obviously have some issues with cops.

I'm thinking that it's you that has to get out his mother's basement and get a look at the real world. By the way, I seem to recall from other threads that you live in Nassau. How much experience do you have with the big, bad city?
If you're that good, maybe you should take the next test and help them out with all of your opinions and ideas. I'm sure that would be appreciated by the folks at NYPD.

[Turkey Tuesdays]

Originally Posted by Queens2QueenCity

Why are some of you always focused on Sharpton. Don't let your hatred for him jade the issue at hand. He did not instruct the crowd to scream out KKK that was how they felt.I don't always agree with his views or tactics but he and the Bell family should have the right to be outraged. They pump 50 bullets into a car of unarmed men. The procedure used by the officers that fatal night was so erroneous because Isnora in plainclothes who was in the club should not have been the first to approach those men. If I'm in that situation I'm trying to mow down apparent car-jackers also. I also don't think he is playing the race card but rather questioning why this only happens to young black men who were doing nothing wrong at the time.

Not always a few years ago Gideon busch a mentally diturbed Hasidic jew was shot dead by the NYPD. He was ranting and raving while wielding a small hammer. He was shot because the cops FEARED for their lives. I did not see sharpton protesting then. My father always told me If you put yourself in bad circumstances expect bad things to happen. Noone deserves to be shot for not committing a crime, but it was an accident a terrible one at that. The family will be compensated ,Oliver might even lose his job, while the other 2 will never get their guns or career back. Their lives are over, but in a different way then Sean Bell. Nothing can turn back the hands of time, but if it could I am sure many that were their that fateful night would give all they have to do just that.

[baylovers]

Sean,

I'm sure you won't admit it, but you know most look at it as an easy paycheck and ticket out of their mother's basement, not as a public service that demands integrity, compassion and intelligence.

Perhaps I'm blind to it because I took the job for the excitement, the opportunity to do some good, earn a decent living & being able to look at myself in the mirror knowing that what I do for living is honorable to society and to my family. I have worked with many, many others who have felt the same way and took their jobs seriously & professionally. There are others who saw it as an easy road to a civil service pension.... I guess those people are the ones you have dealt with and left such a sour impression. That is unfortunate because the good ones suffer from of it.