Is the NYPD really that bad??

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by page3000

LOL! Does it really look like I need to prove myself any further? Yes, I have had first hand experiences..not just the rumors...and HELLO- if a lot of the police don't have any shame screwing people over on camera is it really that hard to believe that they can't do it behind the camera? COMMON SENSE! < it goes a longgggggggggggg way.

Tell us all about your first-hand experiences. I'm interested to know how you've reached the conclusion that the NYPD is corrupt based on your interactions with them.

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by page3000

Yep! You keep on trusting them buddy! LOL.

A mature person with some years of life experience would realize that everything is not what it seems on the surface. That person would also understand that it takes time to gather ALL the facts before reaching a conclusion and that there is nothing to be gained and much to be lost by rushing to judgment.

Someday you'll understand what I'm talking about.

[lukewarmer]

PDC..although I agree with your assessment that many times a tape doesn't give the whole story...we do know:

1-the officer did not even attempt to stop this rider by asking him, putting his hand up, or any such other way. The officer went straight to "battering ram" mode...is this an approved way to stop a bicyclist? Nope.

2-The officer blatantly lied about the incident in the report/court papers...and made no qualms about it. Is this a federal offense? Not sure..but it should be if it is not.

And these are the main issues. Even if the bicyclists ate a light or was riding his bike dangerously...ramming into the bicyclist instead of first attempting to stop him with hand motions/whatever it wrong, and could be deadly as the kid did not even have a helmet...but the cop does not care. Furthermore purposely lieing about the incident in court papers was clearly wrong as well..is this an accepted procedure at the NYPD..to say whatever you want so long as you cover your own a$$? These points are indisputable and the root of the problem.

The fact that the cop's dad, a seasoned and "highly regarded" police officer, did not care, and said "you gotta do what you gotta do" clearly shows the attitude and culture within the NYPD. It is absolutely terrifying to think what else is happening when there are no witnesses/cameras....how many other people's lives/family lives are being ruined because of this behavior?

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by lukewarmer

PDC..although I agree with your assessment that many times a tape doesn't give the whole story...we do know:

1-the officer did not even attempt to stop this rider by asking him, putting his hand up, or any such other way. The officer went straight to "battering ram" mode...is this an approved way to stop a bicyclist? Nope.

2-The officer blatantly lied about the incident in the report/court papers...and made no qualms about it. Is this a federal offense? Not sure..but it should be if it is not.

And these are the main issues. Even if the bicyclists ate a light or was riding his bike dangerously...ramming into the bicyclist instead of first attempting to stop him with hand motions/whatever it wrong, and could be deadly as the kid did not even have a helmet...but the cop does not care. Furthermore purposely lieing about the incident in court papers was clearly wrong as well..is this an accepted procedure at the NYPD..to say whatever you want so long as you cover your own a$$? These points are indisputable and the root of the problem.

The fact that the cop's dad, a seasoned and "highly regarded" police officer, did not care, and said "you gotta do what you gotta do" clearly shows the attitude and culture within the NYPD. It is absolutely terrifying to think what else is happening when there are no witnesses/cameras....how many other people's lives/family lives are being ruined because of this behavior?

You've just conjured up a whole scenario, complete with conclusions, based on what you saw on a couple of seconds of tape and what you may have read in the newspapers (an absolutely reliable source of unbiased information). The truth is that the investigation has just begun and I, for one, will not judge the situation until we have ALL the facts. Not taking any side here ... just waiting for the whole story.

[lukewarmer]

What I said was not a conjured up scenario..now you sound like the Union. What I did was repeat exactly what was seen on the video....the cop made NO attempt to stop the bicyclist by hand gesture, whistle, whatever...he simply charged the biker and rammed him off like a linebacker, then lied about the incident stating the biker charged him and as a result the cop was the one who fell to the ground and sustained injury...which of course was a big fat lie. Furthermore, the cop's dad, a "highly respected" seasoned officer, stated quite clearly he "did not care" and "you gotta do what you gotta do" which speaks volumes about the culture of the NYPD...and the "cover your a$$ at all costs" no matter what..including lieing, obstruction of justice, and perjury (had there not been videotape you can bet the cop would have done this also...lied in court that is).

This whole situation is really terrifying, and makes you wonder what the cops are doing when there are no witnesses/cameras. How many lives have been/are/will be ruined due to this seemingly rampant corruption?

[proroc]

This thread is getting old.

[page3000]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

A mature person with some years of life experience would realize that everything is not what it seems on the surface. That person would also understand that it takes time to gather ALL the facts before reaching a conclusion and that there is nothing to be gained and much to be lost by rushing to judgment.

Someday you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Do you live by what you preach? LOL. Quite clearly I have gathered all of the facts...even BEFORE this little bike incident occurred. How many years of "life experience" do you have going for you pal? LOL. If you ask me it doesn't sound like too many..and btw, being OLD does NOT count as being EXPERIENCED. I know 15 year olds in Harlem that know more about life than any middle-aged silver spoon Manhattanite will ever be able to comprehend.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG!

[page3000]

Originally Posted by lukewarmer

This whole situation is really terrifying, and makes you wonder what the cops are doing when there are no witnesses/cameras. How many lives have been/are/will be ruined due to this seemingly rampant corruption?

That's all I'm pointing out here as well. It seems pretty obvious to me,but I guess everyone has to see it and EXPERIENCE it for themselves.

I'm just your average american citizen that wants JUSTICE for the people! All people at that . Why do a few people think that that is so bad?

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by lukewarmer

What I said was not a conjured up scenario..now you sound like the Union. What I did was repeat exactly what was seen on the video....the cop made NO attempt to stop the bicyclist by hand gesture, whistle, whatever...he simply charged the biker and rammed him off like a linebacker, then lied about the incident stating the biker charged him and as a result the cop was the one who fell to the ground and sustained injury...which of course was a big fat lie. Furthermore, the cop's dad, a "highly respected" seasoned officer, stated quite clearly he "did not care" and "you gotta do what you gotta do" which speaks volumes about the culture of the NYPD...and the "cover your a$$ at all costs" no matter what..including lieing, obstruction of justice, and perjury (had there not been videotape you can bet the cop would have done this also...lied in court that is).

This whole situation is really terrifying, and makes you wonder what the cops are doing when there are no witnesses/cameras. How many lives have been/are/will be ruined due to this seemingly rampant corruption?

Let me repeat myself. We do not know all the facts here (there may be other witnesses, other pieces of video.) At this point, all we have here is a snippet of video and some remarks in the press. That does not tell us the whole story.

And, yes, you did conjure up a scenario. You assume that the officer should have put up his hand to stop the bicyclist, you assume that he lied in the court papers, you assume that a quote from the officer's father is indicative of systematic corruption within the NYPD. All of these things are a giant leap from what we publicly know about the incident. Let's wait to see what really happened.

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by page3000

Do you live by what you preach? LOL. Quite clearly I have gathered all of the facts...even BEFORE this little bike incident occurred. How many years of "life experience" do you have going for you pal? LOL. If you ask me it doesn't sound like too many..and btw, being OLD does NOT count as being EXPERIENCED. I know 15 year olds in Harlem that know more about life than any middle-aged silver spoon Manhattanite will ever be able to comprehend.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG!

Still waiting for you to tell us about your first-hand experience with the corruption in the NYPD. You keep avoiding the question, so I'm beginning to believe that maybe there's nothing there. (Maybe you're repeating rumor and innuendo, maybe you're just making it up as you go along or maybe you're a troll just looking to stir the pot.) Bottom line is that you've made some serious statements about the NYPD and it's reputation and you should be prepared to substantiate them.