rascism aside [is their alot of mexican americans in nyc?] (Peru: school, vs)

[Guywithacause]

It has been well documented by equally ignorant and race baiting/hating people. And if you believe that Mexicans are not flag carrying, or not as equally overzealous about themselves, their country, their rich history, and their accomplishments, then you know nothing about Mexicans..or any people for that matter. Many Mexican factions, like La Raza, are about as radical a group, besides the American extremists types like Timothy McVeigh, that you will find in this country....

If you want/need a reason to hate/criticize/race baiting anyone have fun with that.....as your jabs and ignorant comments are just beating around the bush. You'll note my prior posts are overwhelmingly positive about Mexicans, and just about all people...as there are good and bad with both...

[NooYowkur81]

I always find it amusing how Latinos make so many divisions amongst themselves because here in the U.S. we are pretty much all lumped together under that Brown Box.

[Guywithacause]

Yup....that's how people are. They will complain about whitey keeping them down..and then turn to their brown brothers and sisters and do the same thing. It's quite sad really...ignorance and dysfunction knows no bounds!

[LEVOW]

And if you believe that Mexicans are not flag carrying, or not as equally overzealous about themselves, their country, their rich history, and their accomplishments, then you know nothing about Mexicans..or any people for that matter.

wow! i dont know nothing about mexicans, wow! I Guess i dont know what i am then, good thing that the things ive experienced havent molded my opinion or point of view.

Many Mexican factions, like La Raza, are about as radical a group, besides the American extremists types like Timothy McVeigh, that you will find in this country....

plus theirs extremist of every race, not just mexican, your the one the beats around the bush and is scared to write what you really feel, i stated since the beginning, that from what i have experieced and from what i have read, pr's look down upon mexicans and alot of other races.

[SuperMario]

Guy just admit it. Stop denying it. We're not GENERALIZING Nuyoricans. They look down on ther Latinos and this is FACT. Why are you arguing?

[bx718]

Aren't "Latinos" proud catholics? Isn't religion supposed to promote "love" for "everybody"? How can people be "religious" and look down on others? 99 percent of the world's problems are caused by so called "religious" people....

Also, all this talk about the way PRs treat DRs - yet DRs, though hailing from the same island as Haitians, and sharing a lot of history (the same people?), exclude Haitians from "their part" of the island ..... smh

[traveler445]

Originally Posted by bx718

Aren't "Latinos" proud catholics? Isn't religion supposed to promote "love" for "everybody"? How can people be "religious" and look down on others? 99 percent of the world's problems are caused by so called "religious" people....

Also, all this talk about the way PRs treat DRs - yet DRs, though hailing from the same island as Haitians, and sharing a lot of history (the same people?), exclude Haitians from "their part" of the island ..... smh

You could say that anyone who is religious should not look down on others, not just latinos. But things don't work that way. I guess the only people that wouldn't apply to are atheists...

And yeah i've heard of dominicans hanging hatians that come across the border into the DR, but never knew if that was completely true.

[SuperMario]

Yes Dominicans treat Haitians bad. They were recently reprimanded by the UN for their violence and abuse towards Haitians. But what do you expect the president to do? Like the US, the DR has border patrol. If Haitians dont want to be harmed or abused then they have no reason to illegally cross the boarder and bring on a plethora of problems. But Dominicans do look down on Haitians. Whether is their darker skin or their unimaginable poverty. But im not condoning this type of behavior. It is what it is. You can say the same thing about PR to DR. The difference being that they are actually cut from the same cloth.

Latinos are very catholic. The two most catholic LA nations are Dominican Republic and Ecuador at 95%. Heck the DR flag has the bible and cross on it. I guess there aren't many people who live and die by it.

[crisp444]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Yup....that's how people are. They will complain about whitey keeping them down..and then turn to their brown brothers and sisters and do the same thing. It's quite sad really...ignorance and dysfunction knows no bounds!

Your heart is really in the right place, but in practice I don't think most Hispanics/Latinos would support the idea of "loving one another" and "banding together." There are some situations when separation is really better for certain people/groups than unity. Why identify and associate with a group who has rightfully earned a terrible reputation? I don't really see the need for Cuban-Americans in suburban New Jersey to identify with Nuyoricans, and I don't see the need for Central Americans in DC to identify with Dominicans in the Bronx. All those groups have distinct identities that they want to protect, and don't want to be generalized into some "brown" mass in which half of its "members" are not even "brown" to start.

I disagree with the assessment that America will only view Hispanics as the same. My experience has been that many people are confused and/or uninformed about the issues of race/culture/politics when concerning Hispanics and will readily accept the realities as they learn them. For this reason, various Hispanic groups have, for all practical purposes, been accepted into other groups that are thought to be more "native" to this country. For example, Cubans in Miami are considered to be as "white" as anyone else, Spanish-Americans and Mexican-Americans in much of the Southwest are seen as people who have lived on the land for years and are just as American as anyone else, and many black Latins have blended into - and been accepted into - the African-American community. In many cases, there is simply no need - and no want - for Hispanics to identify with each other just because they (or their ancestors) have a language in common.

It is not necessarily hateful for certain groups to separate and distinguish themselves from Mexican-Americans, Nuyoricans, Dominicans, or any other group. Some of these groups have earned bad reputations in the regions in which they are concentrated; how can you blame other "Hispanics" for distinguishing themselves so that others don't associate them with this bad reputation? This isn't hate; this is common sense and often motivated by desire to succeed, assimilate, or to simply be accepted by other non-Hispanic groups. It's simply too easy to scream "hater!" or "racist!" or "bigot!" at people who separate themselves - there are plenty of good reason for distinguishing yourself that are not necessarily insulting to the group from which you want to be distinguished. Guy, I know that you are a man of ideals but many people - including myself - want nothing to do with those who taint the reputation of Hispanics in this country. I once even met a Nuyorican kid who studied hard to learn perfect Spanish, asked his parents to send him to Puerto Rico during the summers, and associated from Puerto Ricans from the island so that he would be seen as Puerto Rican and not Nuyorican.

Identity is an immensely personally issue and I will not even say that it would necessarily be a good thing for all "Hispanics" to identify with each other.... such a choice is too personal to be forced.

[BXGEAR]

Originally Posted by crisp444

Your heart is really in the right place, but in practice I don't think most Hispanics/Latinos would support the idea of "loving one another" and "banding together." There are some situations when separation is really better for certain people/groups than unity. Why identify and associate with a group who has rightfully earned a terrible reputation? I don't really see the need for Cuban-Americans in suburban New Jersey to identify with Nuyoricans, and I don't see the need for Central Americans in DC to identify with Dominicans in the Bronx. All those groups have distinct identities that they want to protect, and don't want to be generalized into some "brown" mass in which half of its "members" are not even "brown" to start.

I disagree with the assessment that America will only view Hispanics as the same. My experience has been that many people are confused and/or uninformed about the issues of race/culture/politics when concerning Hispanics and will readily accept the realities as they learn them. For this reason, various Hispanic groups have, for all practical purposes, been accepted into other groups that are thought to be more "native" to this country. For example, Cubans in Miami are considered to be as "white" as anyone else, Spanish-Americans and Mexican-Americans in much of the Southwest are seen as people who have lived on the land for years and are just as American as anyone else, and many black Latins have blended into - and been accepted into - the African-American community. In many cases, there is simply no need - and no want - for Hispanics to identify with each other just because they (or their ancestors) have a language in common.

It is not necessarily hateful for certain groups to separate and distinguish themselves from Mexican-Americans, Nuyoricans, Dominicans, or any other group. Some of these groups have earned bad reputations in the regions in which they are concentrated; how can you blame other "Hispanics" for distinguishing themselves so that others don't associate them with this bad reputation? This isn't hate; this is common sense and often motivated by desire to succeed, assimilate, or to simply be accepted by other non-Hispanic groups. It's simply too easy to scream "hater!" or "racist!" or "bigot!" at people who separate themselves - there are plenty of good reason for distinguishing yourself that are not necessarily insulting to the group from which you want to be distinguished. Guy, I know that you are a man of ideals but many people - including myself - want nothing to do with those who taint the reputation of Hispanics in this country. I once even met a Nuyorican kid who studied hard to learn perfect Spanish, asked his parents to send him to Puerto Rico during the summers, and associated from Puerto Ricans from the island so that he would be seen as Puerto Rican and not Nuyorican.

Identity is an immensely personally issue and I will not even say that it would necessarily be a good thing for all "Hispanics" to identify with each other.... such a choice is too personal to be forced.

Basically, there are good people and there are bad people. It doesnt matter what color you are