New York vs San Francisco (Ridge, Paris: living, legal, vs.)

[welder]

please understand that i could care less about San Fran. But it is a city! It's not the country. Ok then, take a trip to mexico city. Population 20 million. Then com back and see if NYC is country like. I'm sorry, but a City is a City! Before u go and bombard me with a bunch of crazy post. I mean at the basic level. Ya there different sizes,etc. U ever driven through the Dakota's? Or Wyoming? Nebraska?

[NYCBoy1212]

Originally Posted by welder

please understand that i could care less about San Fran. But it is a city! It's not the country. Ok then, take a trip to mexico city. Population 20 million. Then com back and see if NYC is country like. I'm sorry, but a City is a City! Before u go and bombard me with a bunch of crazy post. I mean at the basic level. Ya there different sizes,etc. U ever driven through the Dakota's? Or Wyoming? Nebraska?

Thats its metro area population. They both have around the same population and the same metro area

Mexico city / Metro / density
8,720,916 / 19,231,829 / 14,869.1/sq mi (5,741/km²)

NYC / Metro / density
8,274,527 / 18,818,536 / 27,147/sq mi (10,482/km²)

as you can see NYC is more dense so how is it farm like. And mexico city is 578.77 sq mi while NYC is 468.9 sq mi.

[popalnet]

As of 2006 the CSA Metro Population of NYC was almost 22,000,0000

[welder]

Ya, cross over the GW bridge and head west bound on interstate 80. It'll be FARM LIKE before ur coffee gets cold!

[sroper33]

Originally Posted by NYNY10013

What's so tough about raising a child in New York? How many millions of children have been raised in NYC? Much larger number than in San Francisco. They grow up perfectly fine and are more savvy than kids raised in suburbia.

I know many new families in NYC and the toughest part is cost.

You obviously DONT have any children!

[SuperKirby]

NYC and its 5 boroughs is a million times bigger than the city of SF (land and population wise). So there is so much more to do in NYC as other people agree. I think it would be better if you compare NYC to the Bay Area of SF (SF, Oakland, San Jose, Santa Clara, etc..). At least now we have a good size comparison. NYC = 8 million people, SF Bay area = 7 million.

NYC is still rather much more condense than SF Bay Area. As for having kids, i think it is nicer to have a family in the Bay Area (i grew up in Bay Area). There is so much to do as a family in the Bay Area. Bay area is a clean, sunny, and beautiful suburbia, SPACIOUS, with still having EVERYTHING a true city has to offer. I dont think i would have enjoyed the life in NYC as much if I grew up there. NYC, to me, is a gloomier, rainy, darker, claustrophobic, dirty city (although I LOVE NYC, i'm just comparing here).

NOW, in my mid 20's, there is no other place I would rather be in the U.S., then NYC. I think it is the best place for a person 20-39 yrs old! Top 5 reasons for living in NYC in your 20's and 30's:
1. restaurants! FOOD!
2. Outgoing lifestyle (friends, parties, clubs, food, etc...)
3. Transit: Since i have such an outgoing lifestyle, the mass transit sure helps getting from point A
to point B, to C to D to E, F, and the whole alphabet. It would suck to drive ALL the time in
California.
4. I go to college here, so the network will be great for jobs, knowing people, etc..lots of interaction
5. entertainment of the city.

Ok now think about my top 5 favorite NYC reasons, and we will apply it if you're child, or an adult 40 yrs old and older, and why the Bay Area would be better for this age group.
1. Restaurants? you eat at home 7 days a week, its efficient and saves money, fast. then again, if
you want to go out once in a while, there are more than enough places to eat in the Bay Area.
2. you dont club or party, or have nearly as many friends as u did when u were in your 20's 30's. (for
a child reading this, you will have a lot more friends when you get older).
3. Kids: Your conerns are mainly going to school, baseball practice (great weather year round for
sports! Its hard for an young child or elder adult to handle extreme weather), and playing video
games with your neighbor. Adults: Your concern is mainly get to work, go home, feed kids, sleep.
So a car would be handy and comfortable for a child and yourself. I don't like having the thought
of my kids taking public transit, or me taking the subway when i am 50. I rather drive. Since Bay
Area and NYC both have horrible traffic to drive, i prefer to drive in the beautiful scenary of Bay
Area, as opposed to small tiny, dirty NYC sreets.
4. your life is set, therefore massive networking is not really necessary.
5. There is not a need for THAT much entertainment when you are this age. Not so much "get up
and go". And sorry to all, but the suburbs in NYC (such as westcheser, Long island, and suburb
area of NJ) is no where near comparable to the Bay Area.

Overall, these are 2 of my favorite cities in the U.S. they are just meant for living at different times of your life. When I am 40, i look to going back to the calmer life of the Bay Area, but still having "city" things to do when I need to. As for now, I heart NY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =)

[clevedark]

Oh you children make me laugh....

[Fred314X]

These "New York vs. Some Other Cities" proliferate like mushrooms in the General U.S. Forum. It's always New York against some other city. And it's always people from out of town who start these threads. New Yorkers evidently have better things to do!

[DITC]

I like California but you have got to be kidding me. You come into here and spew this CA homer nonsense that the Bay Area is better for a family? You are sipping some strong California kool aid. Cost aside, the NY/NJ/CT metro might be the overall best in the country to raise a family.

1. If you eat at home 7 days a week and like to eat real homecooked food, New York metro has more specialty food stores than you can shake a stick at. (If you eat fast food at home 7 days a week then maybe the Bay Area would be better for that).
2. I dont even understand what you are talking about. This isnt even an argument.
3. Different types of weather build character and toughness. Try playing sports and exercising in 20 degree weather one week, snow, rain, and then heat. Getting used to 70 degrees year round will make a child a sissy.
Cars - New York has better transportation system than California and it is easier to get around. Taking your kids on public transportation exposes them to things at a young age so they are not 100% car dependent and clueless as to how the rest of the world functions. New York area roads have plenty of scenery. Take a ride on the Merritt Parkway in CT sometime, it is landmarked. There are no landmarked roads in the entire state of California.
4. No idea what you are talking about here.
5. Last time I checked the suburbs in New York were better than the Bay Area. Our suburbs have walkable historic downtowns and more specialized stores. Our suburbs are more affordable, have better public schools, fewer 21st century mcmansions than the bay area. Believe it or not we have more waterfront too, and you can swim at our beaches 3 months a year without a wetsuit. Your suburbs go bankrupt and have high foreclosure rates.

Living in NY or in the vicinity is a greater cultural experience and character builder for a child than the Bay Area. Plus it is more affordable for parents.

Originally Posted by SuperKirby

Ok now think about my top 5 favorite NYC reasons, and we will apply it if you're child, or an adult 40 yrs old and older, and why the Bay Area would be better for this age group.
1. Restaurants? you eat at home 7 days a week, its efficient and saves money, fast. then again, if
you want to go out once in a while, there are more than enough places to eat in the Bay Area.
2. you dont club or party, or have nearly as many friends as u did when u were in your 20's 30's. (for
a child reading this, you will have a lot more friends when you get older).
3. Kids: Your conerns are mainly going to school, baseball practice (great weather year round for
sports! Its hard for an young child or elder adult to handle extreme weather), and playing video
games with your neighbor. Adults: Your concern is mainly get to work, go home, feed kids, sleep.
So a car would be handy and comfortable for a child and yourself. I don't like having the thought
of my kids taking public transit, or me taking the subway when i am 50. I rather drive. Since Bay
Area and NYC both have horrible traffic to drive, i prefer to drive in the beautiful scenary of Bay
Area, as opposed to small tiny, dirty NYC sreets.
4. your life is set, therefore massive networking is not really necessary.
5. There is not a need for THAT much entertainment when you are this age. Not so much "get up
and go". And sorry to all, but the suburbs in NYC (such as westcheser, Long island, and suburb
area of NJ) is no where near comparable to the Bay Area.

[SuperKirby]

Originally Posted by DITC

I like California but you have got to be kidding me. You come into here and spew this CA homer nonsense that the Bay Area is better for a family? You are sipping some strong California kool aid. Cost aside, the NY/NJ/CT metro might be the overall best in the country to raise a family.

1. If you eat at home 7 days a week and like to eat real homecooked food, New York metro has more specialty food stores than you can shake a stick at. (If you eat fast food at home 7 days a week then maybe the Bay Area would be better for that).
2. I dont even understand what you are talking about. This isnt even an argument.
3. Different types of weather build character and toughness. Try playing sports and exercising in 20 degree weather one week, snow, rain, and then heat. Getting used to 70 degrees year round will make a child a sissy.
Cars - New York has better transportation system than California and it is easier to get around. Taking your kids on public transportation exposes them to things at a young age so they are not 100% car dependent and clueless as to how the rest of the world functions. New York area roads have plenty of scenery. Take a ride on the Merritt Parkway in CT sometime, it is landmarked. There are no landmarked roads in the entire state of California.
4. No idea what you are talking about here.
5. Last time I checked the suburbs in New York were better than the Bay Area. Our suburbs have walkable historic downtowns and more specialized stores. Our suburbs are more affordable, have better public schools, fewer 21st century mcmansions than the bay area. Believe it or not we have more waterfront too, and you can swim at our beaches 3 months a year without a wetsuit. Your suburbs go bankrupt and have high foreclosure rates.

Living in NY or in the vicinity is a greater cultural experience and character builder for a child than the Bay Area. Plus it is more affordable for parents.

I can understand we are in a West coast vs. east coast talk. I am probably only biased coming from CA. But there is a reason there are 37 million people living in CA, and not cause they "have" to.

Plus i did make it kind of seem i would never raise kids in the NY metro. Outside of CA, NY metro is my favorite place to have a family. I just prefer CA. home is home, if I grew up in NY, i would probably 100% agree with you.

Oh yes, and I totally agree with your "kids clueless on how the rest of the world functions". Kids grow up here loving it so much they do not know or care about the rest of the world. "Vacation" is in Las Vegas, lol.