Is Mott Haven Safe? (Eden, Morris: condo, income, work)

[Sam82]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

I have to agree that I find alot of the central areas of the Bronx like University Heights, Tremont, Mount Eden, Northern Morrisania to be the worst of the Bronx

Very True

[Rachael84]

So you think the area around 170 st & Jerome Ave is one of the worst areas in the Bronx? That's not far from Mt Eden.

[SuperMario]

I dont think Morrisania is the worst. Claremont Village is terrible but its no different than any other project neighborhood. You guys are all saying your worst neighborhoods when in reality they are all similar!

If you get dropped in Morris Heights what makes it any better or worse than University Heights? Same ****. Blocks packed with dealers and thugs. Rows of building. Similar crime rates.

Same with Tremont and Fordham.

Highbridge and Concourse aswell.

Now as you go to the southern Bronx neighborhoods like Morrisania, Melrose, Mott Haven (and you can include central hoods like E Tremont/West Farms) etc you have alot more private homes, more vacant lots, and alot more projects. But again how can you make one worse than another?

Crime rate for the above neighborhoods range from 1200-1400.....not nearly enough of a differece.

If I was dropped on Creston ave, with no street signs, I would not know the difference between Davidson and Creston.....or Andrews and Grand or Valentine and Thebout.....Decatur or Bainbridge....you can mix and match any of the above....same ****....try GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND look at blocks in the same geographical ranges(yet different neighborhoods) and tell me a difference. The only street that really stands out is the Grand Concourse because of the buildings.

Dont tell me you judge a neighborhoods crime by how bad it looks. I was in Van Cortland park today and the Riverdale neighborhood had a a hell of a lot of graffiti. And in the 220's around W Gun Hill the graffiti there is out of control and visually looks more ghetto than any place else.

So what are you guys basing it on that Tremont is worse than Mott Haven? Or that the west/central hoods are worse than the south ones? I would like to know.

So im going to say it again....

NO HOOD IS WORSE THAN ANOTHER......IT IS THE SAME GARBAGE!

But I do know one thing. In terms of crime the most underrated hood is ironically the one with the most ex-cons and parolees. It stacks up against any in the entire city. Although the same can be said for the others.

Fordham-Bedford.

[Sam82]

The thing about Brooklyn and the Bronx is that it is hard to make a generalization about an area. One block can be wonderful and safe, then the next block can look like S***. When I went to visit a friend in Bed-stuy, his block was beautiful. When I When I was walking to the train I took a wrong turn and I found myself on a disgusting looking block filled with thugs.

My old apt was strange. If you were to walk out and make a right the area was fine. Make a left and keep walking a block or two, it was terrible.

Currently, Tremont is a mess, especially towards Arthur Ave. There is a lot of crime and a lot of drug addicts begging for money. There's a huge drug clinic over there, which adds to the problem. It is just not a nice a very nice area. In MY opinion Mott Haven is better than Tremont. I would rather walk around there at night than in Tremont.

[Guywithacause]

Yes I agree...it's not necssarily that Mott haven is better..as the reality is much of the South and Central Bronx has the same societal problems. However, the feel when you walk around the central Bronx is one of deterioration, lack of air, space, and any sort of identity besides being poor. Areas in the South Bronx like Melrose, Hunts Point, Mott Haven, Concourse, now have identities (positive ones at that) which are tied to massive investment, proximity to the city, redevelopment, greening, affordable housing, and a repositioning strategy. The central Bronx, due to its location and the fact that the housing stock is old, unrenovated, and no parcels to really develop to move the area forward, is sufffering...the feel and vibe is quite different between the 2 areas.

So the thread should really be titles.."How safe is Mott Haven." Not "Is Mott Haven safe."

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by Sam82

The thing about Brooklyn and the Bronx is that it is hard to make a generalization about an area. One block can be wonderful and safe, then the next block can look like S***. When I went to visit a friend in Bed-stuy, his block was beautiful. When I When I was walking to the train I took a wrong turn and I found myself on a disgusting looking block filled with thugs.

My old apt was strange. If you were to walk out and make a right the area was fine. Make a left and keep walking a block or two, it was terrible.

Currently, Tremont is a mess, especially towards Arthur Ave. There is a lot of crime and a lot of drug addicts begging for money. There's a huge drug clinic over there, which adds to the problem. It is just not a nice a very nice area. In MY opinion Mott Haven is better than Tremont. I would rather walk around there at night than in Tremont.

You're talking about East Tremont.

IMO though there are rarely any quiet blocks where I live. The streets get packed. Sorrounding neighborhoods are like that too. The quiet/good blocks occur north of beford park and Moshulo, where some blocks are bad and some are decent. Every block below Bedford park is either around the corner of a hot block or is a hot block.

There are drug addicts everywhere. It's not exclusive to East Tremont. Shelters are everywhere aswell. Take that shelter that you saw and put it in Norwood. It's going to bring in drug addicts but the neighborhood it still wouldnt be considered bad.

East Tremont can be pretty scary though......especially in terms of homicides. But its no different than any other hoods.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Yes I agree...it's not necssarily that Mott haven is better..as the reality is much of the South and Central Bronx has the same societal problems. However, the feel when you walk around the central Bronx is one of deterioration, lack of air, space, and any sort of identity besides being poor. Areas in the South Bronx like Melrose, Hunts Point, Mott Haven, Concourse, now have identities (positive ones at that) which are tied to massive investment, proximity to the city, redevelopment, greening, affordable housing, and a repositioning strategy. The central Bronx, due to its location and the fact that the housing stock is old, unrenovated, and no parcels to really develop to move the area forward, is sufffering...the feel and vibe is quite different between the 2 areas.

So the thread should really be titles.."How safe is Mott Haven." Not "Is Mott Haven safe."

I could say the same thing about the south Bronx. There are blocks of tenement aswell. The abanoned feeling of vacant lots. The HUGE projects almost everywhere you go.

[Pete Piper]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

However, the feel when you walk around the central Bronx is one of deterioration, lack of air, space, and any sort of identity besides being poor. Areas in the South Bronx like Melrose, Hunts Point, Mott Haven, Concourse, now have identities (positive ones at that) which are tied to massive investment, proximity to the city, redevelopment, greening, affordable housing, and a repositioning strategy. The central Bronx, due to its location and the fact that the housing stock is old, unrenovated, and no parcels to really develop to move the area forward, is sufffering...

The central Bronx was a solid middle class area - it is not unconceivable that it could change again, as other areas of the city have. I'm not saying I see it happening any time soon, but I don't agree that an older housing stock is necessecarily a disadvantage. Most of it was very well-built. I also don't agree that new development is the only way to improve a neighborhood. Most of the new construction going on in the city is unfortunately sub-par and lacking of character. For areas like the South Bronx that needed this infill development to fill the empty lots, it's a necessecary and a very good thing. But other areas that are already built up would be very fortunate to escape with as little of this new building as possible. By the way in Tremont by the DOB I noticed a lot of new housing (which was pretty ugly). Most of the Central Bronx is pretty dense. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with density--look at Manhattan. If the trend towards placing more value on city living continues (which is tied to escalating oil prices), this area will eventually improve as well.

One new development that I just don't get is Yankee Stadium. It seems so unnecessary and an incredible waste of money. The Gateway and Metro North stops are good things, but it seems green space will actually decrease and be of less quality. I'm always surprised not to hear more dissent on this one. I do think that the area will improve, however, partially due to all the press that it receives.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

I dont think Morrisania is the worst. Claremont Village is terrible but its no different than any other project neighborhood. You guys are all saying your worst neighborhoods when in reality they are all similar!

If you get dropped in Morris Heights what makes it any better or worse than University Heights? Same ****. Blocks packed with dealers and thugs. Rows of building. Similar crime rates.

Same with Tremont and Fordham.

Highbridge and Concourse aswell.

Now as you go to the southern Bronx neighborhoods like Morrisania, Melrose, Mott Haven (and you can include central hoods like E Tremont/West Farms) etc you have alot more private homes, more vacant lots, and alot more projects. But again how can you make one worse than another?

Crime rate for the above neighborhoods range from 1200-1400.....not nearly enough of a differece.

If I was dropped on Creston ave, with no street signs, I would not know the difference between Davidson and Creston.....or Andrews and Grand or Valentine and Thebout.....Decatur or Bainbridge....you can mix and match any of the above....same ****....try GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND look at blocks in the same geographical ranges(yet different neighborhoods) and tell me a difference. The only street that really stands out is the Grand Concourse because of the buildings.

Dont tell me you judge a neighborhoods crime by how bad it looks. I was in Van Cortland park today and the Riverdale neighborhood had a a hell of a lot of graffiti. And in the 220's around W Gun Hill the graffiti there is out of control and visually looks more ghetto than any place else.

So what are you guys basing it on that Tremont is worse than Mott Haven? Or that the west/central hoods are worse than the south ones? I would like to know.

So im going to say it again....

NO HOOD IS WORSE THAN ANOTHER......IT IS THE SAME GARBAGE!

But I do know one thing. In terms of crime the most underrated hood is ironically the one with the most ex-cons and parolees. It stacks up against any in the entire city. Although the same can be said for the others.

Fordham-Bedford.

Why do you say that Fordham is underrated? I think its well recognized by this forum at least, as 1 of the worst neighborhoods in the city.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

Why do you say that Fordham is underrated? I think its well recognized by this forum at least, as 1 of the worst neighborhoods in the city.

People assume that since Fordham-Bedford is above Fordham rd, that its not any worse than anything south of it.

There was a thread about it. Where a few of the posters actually called Fordham-Bedford a nice neighborhood.

Bronx area - Fordham/Kingsbridge

40% of the crime of the 52nd precinct occurs there.