UES how far up and east ? (York, Yorkville: real estate, apartments, brokers)

[ArtAddict]

Hi Im trying to decide how far UES Im should look to. .
(Im relocating back to NY)
My aunt,many many moons ago lived in a rough part of the UES. SO some of my family is like -no!

But from what Ive read and heard it seems to have changed so much, that really Im certain its different.

I figure below 120th would be good and not too close to the water.

Any thoughts on this?
Tryng to find something affordable and still in manhattan-
(I cant believe how expensive LIC has gotten!)
thanks in advance.

[passdoubt]

As far as I know, nobody calls anything above 96th Street the "Upper East Side." Above 96th is East Harlem. I'd be interested to know if that was ever different... I'd be surprised though. I think that was "Spanish Harlem" and "Italian Harlem" from an early age, and those were always excluded from the UES. Ask your aunt which streets she lived on.

That being said, there are projects between the FDR and 1st at 92nd through 96th. That's about the only area below 96th Street that I think could be considered "rough" in any sense of the word, unless there's really something I don't know over there. the UES is one of the most expensive parts of the city... LIC should be much cheaper.

[quelinda]

Your family is correct, prior to the mid 90s, parts of First Ave were quite rough. Now there are doorman buildings across from the Stanley Isaacs projects on First Ave between 92nd and 96th St, but honestly they have always been harmless. No worries about living around them at all.

passdoubt is obviously correct that the UES stops at 96th street, where Spanish Harlem (which is now starting to turn a bit white) starts. There was an Italian neighborhood on Pleasant Avenue (a short Ave which is by the East River) around 116th Street but I doubt that neighborhood still exists..dunno.

But you should have no problem living in Spanish Harlem. The neighborhood has become more and more gentrified over the years, though there are far too many projects around for white people to completely take over..THANK GOODNESS.

[peekles72]

I can tell you for certain that one group of people does call above 96th the UES: Real Estate Brokers. Seriously, I was looking for a place once in the 70s, 80s, Yorkville...many ads saying UES were 110th St and etc.

[nyc_sport]

There were lots of sketchy areas on the UES, but that has long fallen to the NYC gentrification. There is an enormous apartment building (Normandy Court) at 95th that demolished a whole block of apartments 20 years ago. To the others' point, the north side of Normandy Court has virtually no windows, back then everyone assumed that looking down at Harlem was not much of a citiscape. Things have changed -- just stay close to Central Park and the neighborhoods are fine east or west right up to the north end of the Park.

[vitalove]

96th street is definitely the border. Anything beyond that is not the UES!

And the Italian section of East Harlem on Pleasant Avenue recently ended a few years ago. The last of the restaurants have begun to close, if there are any still left. I believe there is still a pizzeria and maybe another restaurant left.

[ArtAddict]

Thanks for the updated info!

p.s your right aboutthe realtor use of UES.
(going further than usual)

If I recall my aunt was like in the upper 90s low avenue # and this wa like in the 80's

Well I see a lot of listings for like 116, 114 115 etc. and was curious about those.
thanks-

[MeAndTheCity]

Somehow UES in the 90's isn't half as sketchy as the projects proliferation on the UWS. Something to be said about the original Harlem *eyeroll*

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by ArtAddict

Hi Im trying to decide how far UES Im should look to. .
(Im relocating back to NY)
My aunt,many many moons ago lived in a rough part of the UES. SO some of my family is like -no!

But from what Ive read and heard it seems to have changed so much, that really Im certain its different.

I figure below 120th would be good and not too close to the water.

Any thoughts on this?
Tryng to find something affordable and still in manhattan-
(I cant believe how expensive LIC has gotten!)
thanks in advance.

what is your monthly budget? the upper east side is very expensive. if you're considering east harlem then thats more affordable, but not exactly cheap anymore either.

[quelinda]

Originally Posted by MeAndTheCity

Somehow UES in the 90's isn't half as sketchy as the projects proliferation on the UWS. Something to be said about the original Harlem *eyeroll*

Has something "sketchy" happened to you near the projects on the UWS? Or please clarify why you find it so dodgy.