NYC's Murder Rate Rises 8% (New York, York: violent crime, school, dangerous)

[EastNuYawk]

OK. Time for a thread on this. More than half the year is gone and it's time to evaluate our great "Safest big City". Since no one else wants to acknowledge it, I will.

Here's the NY Post info:
NEW YORK CITY'S MURDER RATE RISES 8% - New York Post

Here's the Daily news article about the bloody violence just last night.
Bloody night: Two teens, three others slain in knife and gun violence (It's not even the damn weekend and school is official out 28 June) This means more tennagers with guns/knives are going to be out during daytime and stay out later.

SUMMER IS NOT EVEN HERE YET!!!!

It's gonna be a hot summer folks! Crime is happening all over the city also.
But I guess we are all in the safest big city so it's all gravy. Discuss

[ontheGtrain]

Crime is up and is going to go much higher. The drop in some of the crimes they mentioned were do to the comstat folks "fixing" the classifications. Overall crime is much higher than the fixed numbers suggest. The cops coming on the job today are criminals or fat and lazy and the smart cops who have been otj for a while do not get involved because they do not want to get sent to prison for doing their job. Things are going to get much worse. We have mayor bloomturd and Police comm Ray Kelly to thank for this.

[Henna]

At the end of the first quarter in 2008, the murder rate in NYC was up 21% from the previous year's first quarter. (stats from this article Queens, Bronx Drive Up City Murder Rate - March 28, 2008 - The New York Sun)

So now if they are reporting an increase of 8% since the same time last year (when, by the way, the rates were lower than they had been the years before that), then I guess the murder rate DROPPED 13% in the second quarter of this year (21% - 8%)

If this seems like fuzzy math to you, that's the point. Statistics are always spun however the person reporting the numbers wants to spin them.

Take a look at the whole picture (murder rates from the previous several years) before jumping to conclusions by comparing one partial year's stats versus the previous year's partial year stats.

[EastNuYawk]

Originally Posted by Henna

At the end of the first quarter in 2008, the murder rate in NYC was up 21% from the previous year's first quarter. (stats from this article Queens, Bronx Drive Up City Murder Rate - March 28, 2008 - The New York Sun)

So now if they are reporting an increase of 8% since the same time last year (when, by the way, the rates were lower than they had been the years before that), then I guess the murder rate DROPPED 13% in the second quarter of this year (21% - 8%)

If this seems like fuzzy math to you, that's the point. Statistics are always spun however the person reporting the numbers wants to spin them.

Take a look at the whole picture (murder rates from the previous several years) before jumping to conclusions by comparing one partial year's stats versus the previous year's partial year stats.

All that means is there were 8 more "reported" murders in the first quarter this year than last year.

To date there are around 23 more recorded murders in the first half. The decrease to 8 % is really just telling what is happening before summer. Summer time looks like it's going to drive the % higher than 8% because more crime/murder naturally happens during the summer months. The real test is going to be all the way through labor day (parade weekend). Damn but holloween etc. get wild too.

I'm just saying the future (this year) doesn't have any indication of being bright. You can spin it any way you like but that's just a fact looking at the volume of murders on single nights. Let's revisit in 4 1/2 months

[bx718]

Originally Posted by ontheGtrain

....The cops coming on the job today are criminals or fat and lazy .........

A bit aspersive you think?

[Fred314X]

Mark Twain once said, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Someone wants to claim that crime is up 8% in New York? First, you have to ask, 8% of what? In a city of eight million (not counting the four or five million who come here to work or visit each day), 8% of anything will be a larger number than 8% in a smaller city or town. Then you have to ask, what kind of crime are we talking about? Violent crime? Corporate crime?

When it is in someone's interest to make New York City look bad--as it usually is, at any given time, then the media will be filled with all kinds of reports about hell being ready to break loose around here.

[Jrock247]

The police academy's standards have got alot lower in recent years. Walk back the academy and you'll be amazed and how fat, weak, and out shape alot of the cadets look.

They should've given those steroid cops in brooklyn medals for actually making the effort to stay strong.

[TunaBoy]

People still say to me "id love to visit NY but isnt it dangerous?"

Either way, I dont think NY will ever get past its "new jack city" image.

[Henna]

Originally Posted by Fred314X

Mark Twain once said, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Someone wants to claim that crime is up 8% in New York? First, you have to ask, 8% of what? In a city of eight million (not counting the four or five million who come here to work or visit each day), 8% of anything will be a larger number than 8% in a smaller city or town. Then you have to ask, what kind of crime are we talking about? Violent crime? Corporate crime?

When it is in someone's interest to make New York City look bad--as it usually is, at any given time, then the media will be filled with all kinds of reports about hell being ready to break loose around here.

I totally agree. that is the point I was trying to make, but I guess I didn't make it well enough because it apparently was not understood. Or maybe it was understood but disregarded.

[ontheGtrain]

Originally Posted by bx718

A bit aspersive you think?

No. Its dead on the money correct.