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Old 10-11-2008, 06:12 PM
 
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Well, I've lived in California, in Texas, and I now live in an Oregon burb where there is a humongous Hispanic population. And I can say through experience that Hispanic men are the most openly-appreciative of female beauty. Yes, they stare, sometimes like to honk their owns or give the occasional cat-call. They can stare all they want, it does not bother me in the least. At 56, it reminds me of the 60's and 70's when ALL guys behaved that way.

Of course, saying inappropriate things to someone, and ass-grabbing, is absolutely unacceptable. I don't know what you can do about that, though.
It's bad enough when women have to deal with vulgar comments. As bad as that is, any physical touching qualifies as battery/assault and is subject to arrest of the perpetrator. It's awful that some men feel that it's quite okay to harass women in this way. Most decent men are able to distinguish natural admiration and compliments on beauty to a female from other behavior- and are appropriately disgusted, angry, vehement, even inclined to be violent toward those who would harm our mothers, sisters, wives, girlfriends, aunts, daughters, granddaughters, etc.

 
Old 10-11-2008, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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It's bad enough when women have to deal with vulgar comments. As bad as that is, any physical touching qualifies as battery/assault and is subject to arrest of the perpetrator. It's awful that some men feel that it's quite okay to harass women in this way. Most decent men are able to distinguish natural admiration and compliments on beauty to a female from other behavior- and are appropriately disgusted, angry, vehement, even inclined to be violent toward those who would harm our mothers, sisters, wives, girlfriends, aunts, daughters, granddaughters, etc.
As much as I preach against hitting men first, the one time I hauled off and smacked someone is when a guy (not a Hispanic, a European) grabbed my butt like this other one did to the Originator in the subway. I couldn't believe the rage ~ and the reaction was that quick. This wasn't in NY. I suppose I could have triggered violence when I hit 'em but I didn't ~ perhaps I was lucky.

When I was young, looking back on it, guys behaved pretty rough by today's standards. And I say 'guys' instead of 'boys', because it wasn't always teenagers.
 
Old 10-11-2008, 06:32 PM
 
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As much as I preach against hitting men first, the one time I hauled off and smacked someone is when a guy (not a Hispanic, a European) grabbed my butt like this other one did to the Originator in the subway. I couldn't believe the rage ~ and the reaction was that quick. This wasn't in NY. I suppose I could have triggered violence when I hit 'em but I didn't ~ perhaps I was lucky.

When I was young, looking back on it, guys behaved pretty rough by today's standards. And I say 'guys' instead of 'boys', because it wasn't always teenagers.
Disrespect for women by some men is as old as history. Moral outrage likewise has a long tradition. I personally feel that it's important to distinguish what I refer to as normal physical attraction/complimeting from sexual comments and touching of a stranger.

Sorry for you and all the women who've been humiliated to have your body violated by those vermin who probably never respected a single woman in their lives and whose only value system of females revolves around dirty magazines/videos which portray women as sex objects only.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Sound Beach
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It's not just Latinos (Mexicans). White guys have been vulguar and sexual to me in the past. If anything, it's an income thing.
Yeah...thats true. I do think back now when I was a caterer in NYC for the rich folk...some of them could be pretty arrogant.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 09:47 AM
 
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I'm used to catcalls, as every NY women is. The staring, and comments don't bother me as long as they aren't disgusting, creepy, or vulgar. Of course, that is subjective, and what I find creepy someone else might not. I just don't want some guy in the street/subway EVERY trying to touch me, or he will get hurt. ;-)

Recently, I was walking by my apt and these two guys riding bikes were circling around me. "You are beautiful." "Looking good." Blah blah I keep walking. One guy says something about getting my number or something, and I'm like "No," so he goes, "Ya know what? You ugly anyway!!!!" LMAO stupid boys.

I think most men don't take it too far. There have only been a few times where I felt uncomfortable. It can get annoying sometimes, but I think I just tune it out.

from the pic of you on another thread, I'd have to say that not only are those fellas losers unable to get a decent woman the normal way but they seem to be blind too - perhaps they are both blind and ugly.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 02:41 PM
 
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I just moved to NY and I love it. Especially manhattan, the people are so nice, especially the women. When im out to have a good time with my friends I say and talk to women, they are much nicer than other places. Each city has its own thing. Ive lived in Miami, Washington DC, philly. Ive never had so much luck with women than with any other city.

People in philly are generally nasty and mean, lots poor people around
Manhattan you have a mix, but it is generally nicer people than philly. Lot of people work in finance/bank/business.
Washington..lots of people work in govt. Nice people
Miami....very superficial city....people spending money they dont have.

As for you unlvstudent. Just ignore the rude people, and be around people so you are safe. Enjoy.

Last edited by LoveDaApple; 10-12-2008 at 02:43 PM.. Reason: typo
 
Old 10-13-2008, 10:20 AM
 
Location: New York
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WOW

Long thread, I'm not sure what's mention, I did not read all of it, but have you consider how you dress walking the streets?
 
Old 10-13-2008, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Queens
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WOW

Long thread, I'm not sure what's mention, I did not read all of it, but have you consider how you dress walking the streets?

Men will stare and make comments no matter what you are wearing!!! I can be coming back from the gym- no makeup, gym clothes, hair a mess- and they will catcall.

Plus, if I am going out with my girls or my man and I want to dress sexy, that doesn't mean I'm a "****" or that men have the right to be vulgar or make sexual comments.
 
Old 10-13-2008, 01:23 PM
 
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I look but don't stare and I'm usually too nervous to say anything.
 
Old 10-13-2008, 04:35 PM
 
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UNLV student, please don't listen to all this nonsense about how it's ok to be loud and obnoxious and you should grow a backbone when I guy grabs you. In fact this kind of stupidity paints NYC in a bad light. Yes, the men here are aggressive, but there is a line. Most men know when they cross over it they will get arrested- ex. if they put their hands on you. Don't be so quick to make eye contact and just be on guard more. I'm a blonde woman myself and a NY native. Not all New Yorkers are common and low class but some people are. You will always have ignorant people no matter what gender, race they are. Yes some people in NY think it's a God given right to be obnoxious but believe it or not it's your right to call them on it too. Don't listen to people who have taken offense at what you have said and don't seem to read in between the lines that you are more concerned than anything else. Don't worry you will be fine. There are many well educated men in the city who don't act like this and they are of any race. You are getting a certain kind of element defending bad behavior and you are running into a certain kind of element as well. Don't take it seriously. Just watch what areas you are in. The upper east side and midtown are best. Stay away from lower east side/Alphabet streets or past 100th street. Good luck and ignore people who are fools and act like it's ok to be a NYC meathead.
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