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Old 07-28-2008, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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I still wonder, to this day, what gave SIers the thought to cecede from the city?
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Old 07-28-2008, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Queens
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^^^

long and convoluted politics, 80s/early 90s economy, etc.
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Old 07-28-2008, 11:36 AM
 
Location: THE THRONE aka-New York City
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My name is not Venting and I have my reasons. Back to the main discussion. Why do these same people that hate Staten Island like the Hamptons? The Hamptons are nothing like Manhattan or Brooklyn yet loved by all. You already admitted in your initial post in the thread that you have no idea what you are talking about. Why post if you do not know?

By saying that Staten Island is marginalized because it is different is oversimplifying or a displaying a complete lack of understanding of the cultural undercurrents of the region.

Pretending that these class cultural differences do not create static, biases and angst is to stick your head in the sand. Class war is the new racism n the New York metro. Staten Island is squarely one of the last white working class strongholds and this makes it undesirable. The same reason that drives people away from Richmond County s the same reason that this mostly white county has yet to receive a whole foods or Trader Joes. The people on Staten Island are working class and not completely assimilated. They tawk while the rest of New York talks.
OMG. Your going on and on about this working class jiberish. Nobody says i dont like staten island because its a white working class borough. Thats ridiculous. Somebody says hey, i dont like staten island because i gotta take a freaking ferry to get there. I dont like staten island because its too far and isolated from the rest of the boroughs. I dont like staten island because it reminds me more of jersey than new york. People TAWK in the bx, in brooklyn, in manhattan and also in queens
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Old 07-28-2008, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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lol at the title

but yeah, its because it should be in jersey. but, i never had a problem with it.....i like jersey
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Staten Island used to be nice but now it's overcrowded and filled with teen "wiggers" and mafia wannabes, especially in mid-island and south shore.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:41 PM
 
Location: East Tennessee and Atlanta
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I never hear anything good about Staten Island, actually I don't hear anything good or bad on this site about Staten Island. I was watching CSI:NY and they were talking about how a long time ago New York and New Jersey had a sailboat race and the winner would acquire Staten Island and the actor said "can we give it back?". So I started to wonder what is wrong with Staten Island. What is it's positives? And what are the negatives? Is it a good or bad place to live and why?
Well, perception from TV and reality are complete opposites. TV tends to take a small stereotype of anything and blow it up into a "fact."

Staten Island was home to "Freshkills Landfill" for decades. It is now reclaimed land, and the landfill is closed. The island is home to beautiful houses, gorgeous neighborhoods, a couple of upcoming trendy spots, and some beautiful waterfront areas. The quality of life on Staten Island can be grand. Staten Island is very large in area compared to Manhattan--although the population is just under 500,000, compared to Manhattan's 1.6 million. Staten Island is the fastest growing county in New York state as well.
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Old 07-28-2008, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I don't think it's so much that people hate Staten Island; I think it's more like an old perception that continues to hang on. SI was barely seen as being a part of New York City, because it has always had the smallest population among the five boroughs, and has been physically disconnected from the city (there was a proposal in the late 1980s to extend the #1 train from South Ferry to SI, but residents of that borough voted it down by a huge margin).

These days, SI has a much larger population--though it is still 5th among the five boroughs--many of whom came from Brooklyn. But the old images still manage to hang on, and if it gets looked down on, that's why.
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Old 07-28-2008, 08:12 PM
 
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They may think they are "middle class" but they are mostly working class. What are these people doing all day? They are working to pick up garbage and other assorted jobs which makes them working class. Just because they have a car payment and a mortgage does not elevate them into some stratified social class. At the very least a middle class person should own their own business and be financially independent. Sure there are plenty of Staten residents that own their own business but for every business owner there are ten garbageman on Staten Island. I am not trying to put down Staten Island or the people that live there. My post explains the very real sentiment of the upper class of Manhattan/Westchester/Yuppie Brooklynites towards Staten Island. The thing that is unique is that it is completely acceptable to lampoon Staten Island residents in many parts of Manhattan or Westchester. However lampooning a lower or working class black is considered completely unacceptable and racist.


People hate Staten Island because of the working class vibe, it is a different culture than in Manhattan or Westchester. Different blood, different accent different diet, different everything. These differences are what makes the NY metro so interesting as very few other areas in the states have these micro-cultures within such a small geographic area. Greenwich CT does not seem like Manhattan or Brooklyn and yet nobody hates on Greenwich like they hate on Staten. People hate on Staten because of the Italian American working class vibe. (I'm Tawking to youse/how you dewin') Suburban raised American, I eat at whole foods to make myself feel better, white collar types that are attracted to Manhattan can not relate to Staten Island. While Manhattan is Organic tofu salad, Staten Island is baked ziti. While these people hating on Staten Island have been trained to repress their racist feelings towards blacks or hispanics these attitudes are acceptable to express towards the working class whites of Staten Island.
MAY I ASK WHAT SOCIAL CLASS DO YOU BELONG, and are you a $200,000 plus corporate man, with a Harvard education?
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Old 07-29-2008, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Weehawken, NJ
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Why do people not like the ferry, isn't free?
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Old 07-29-2008, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Queens
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Because you have to get to the ferry, then take it for half an hour, and then get to where you're going.
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