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Old 08-05-2008, 09:57 PM
 
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I agree..Wu Tang Clan put Staten Island on the map.
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Give me a Break.
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Old 08-05-2008, 09:59 PM
 
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I agree..Wu Tang Clan put Staten Island on the map.
YOU ARE SO MISINFORMED THAT IS PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-06-2008, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Queens
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I would rather have Ricky Schroeder and Christina Aguilera, both born here, to reprent me, that Wuuuuuuuu tangggggg!
That's a shame then. Very very vivid use of the English language, so much better than what the lazy rap lyricists of today put out--even if it's essentially the same subject matter which I could understand not agreeing with.
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Old 08-06-2008, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I'm afraid that if Wu Tang Clan is what put Staten Island on the map...then that's what's wrong with Staten Island! I'd really like to think that a borough of New York City is a little bigger than a rap group.
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Old 08-06-2008, 09:58 PM
 
Location: outer boroughs, NYC
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Having grown up on Staten Island, I can probably shed some light, regarding a few of the things that have come up.

The Dump: Seriously, this is one surefire way to get on a Staten Islander's nerves. The dump is huge, but it's in a swampy corner of the island and almost nobody lives there. Staten Island does not smell and never did. I repeat: Staten Island does not smell and never did. Okay, I exaggerate somewhat - the area near the dump can smell on warm summer days, I can remember grabbing a whiff while driving down the West Shore Expressway with the windows down. It can be pretty gross. But once again, hardly anyone lives there. So, let me rephrase slightly: Where the people live, Staten Island does not smell, and never did. There.

The Working Class: There's some truth to this argument, I think. It's also why other parts of the NYC metro, such as Long Island and Jersey, get some hate. In certain respects, Staten Island is the last bastion of old-school, working-class, white ethnic New York. This makes it an easy target. However, the island has half a million people. There's plenty of white-collar types, too. Plenty. Ride an express bus or take the ferry at rush hour, if you don't believe me. Furthermore, I also agree with a prior poster than the white-collar/blue-collar distinctions have kind of broken down these days. There's still sort of a distinction, but it's vague. For example, I have both firefighters and attorneys in my immediate family. One my oldest friends from SI is a cop, and he's one of the smartest, most well-traveled people I know. There's some degree of truth to these stereotypes, but if you try to apply them to everyone, they fall apart pretty quickly.

So if it's not just the dump and the working class, why does SI get so much hate? Because it pales in comparison to the rest of NYC. It's one of the five boroughs, and it's basically a suburb. It's far away, it's kinda provincial, it's less diverse. However, if you look at Staten Island for what it is - that is, basically a suburb - I think it's actually pretty good. It's definitely one of the better suburbs around. It has all-night access to Manhattan. It has a unique history and neighborhoods with actual character. It has beautiful parks. It even has some public transit - not like the rest of the city, but better than most 'burbs (I used it all the time in high school).

Now, I'm not going to sugar-coat it - there's plenty of ugly new stucco houses and guido morons on SI. The traffic is horrible. There's some racism, too, especially on the South Shore. The island is generally poorly planned, because it's politicians are in the pockets of developers and local authorities (and the horrendous newspaper) do not want to come to terms with what the island currently is. They do not want to fully embrace the future. It's sad, really, because Staten Island still has a lot of potential - but I digress, as this is a story for another time.

Anyway, I grew up on Staten Island, and though it sits kind of uncomfortably between the provincialism of small-town America and the cosmopolitanism of NYC, I'm not embarrassed - hell, I'm proud - that it's my hometown. I'll always kind of love it, and I'll always kind of hate it, but I wish it nothing but the best. All in all, it was a pretty good place to grow up.

So, yeah...a little long-winded there, but that's my Staten Island story .
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Old 08-06-2008, 10:50 PM
 
Location: THE THRONE aka-New York City
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at the end of the day ,as far as pop culture, wu tang put staten on the map. period.lol
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Old 08-06-2008, 11:00 PM
 
Location: 73rd chamber
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PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Give me a Break.

i know,right...pbbsst,it all about the force mds
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Old 08-07-2008, 11:34 AM
 
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Default SI bashing

For those of you who bash SI, it's a boon for the rest of us, who know the best parts and have been able to buy awesome 100-year-old properties on tree-lined streets with real backyards--far below what we'd pay in the other borroughs. Sucks to pay $1m in other areas and live in a shoe box, doesn't it?

And that Dump? Just you wait 20 years from now. It's larger than Central Park and will someday be an amazing green space. Right now, they're building the first wind farm in the NYC area on an area near the old Dump. We are the greenest borrough in terms of parks; we might soon be the most "green" environmentally.

Yeah, I'm proud of SI and I'm kinda glad it's misunderstood and neglected by others. They're just ignorant (and possibley jealous and/or insecure).
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Old 08-07-2008, 05:10 PM
 
Location: THE THRONE aka-New York City
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the x has more parks
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:37 PM
 
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Having grown up on Staten Island, I can probably shed some light, regarding a few of the things that have come up.

The Dump: Seriously, this is one surefire way to get on a Staten Islander's nerves. The dump is huge, but it's in a swampy corner of the island and almost nobody lives there. Staten Island does not smell and never did. I repeat: Staten Island does not smell and never did. Okay, I exaggerate somewhat - the area near the dump can smell on warm summer days, I can remember grabbing a whiff while driving down the West Shore Expressway with the windows down. It can be pretty gross. But once again, hardly anyone lives there. So, let me rephrase slightly: Where the people live, Staten Island does not smell, and never did. There.

The Working Class: There's some truth to this argument, I think. It's also why other parts of the NYC metro, such as Long Island and Jersey, get some hate. In certain respects, Staten Island is the last bastion of old-school, working-class, white ethnic New York. This makes it an easy target. However, the island has half a million people. There's plenty of white-collar types, too. Plenty. Ride an express bus or take the ferry at rush hour, if you don't believe me. Furthermore, I also agree with a prior poster than the white-collar/blue-collar distinctions have kind of broken down these days. There's still sort of a distinction, but it's vague. For example, I have both firefighters and attorneys in my immediate family. One my oldest friends from SI is a cop, and he's one of the smartest, most well-traveled people I know. There's some degree of truth to these stereotypes, but if you try to apply them to everyone, they fall apart pretty quickly.

So if it's not just the dump and the working class, why does SI get so much hate? Because it pales in comparison to the rest of NYC. It's one of the five boroughs, and it's basically a suburb. It's far away, it's kinda provincial, it's less diverse. However, if you look at Staten Island for what it is - that is, basically a suburb - I think it's actually pretty good. It's definitely one of the better suburbs around. It has all-night access to Manhattan. It has a unique history and neighborhoods with actual character. It has beautiful parks. It even has some public transit - not like the rest of the city, but better than most 'burbs (I used it all the time in high school).

Now, I'm not going to sugar-coat it - there's plenty of ugly new stucco houses and guido morons on SI. The traffic is horrible. There's some racism, too, especially on the South Shore. The island is generally poorly planned, because it's politicians are in the pockets of developers and local authorities (and the horrendous newspaper) do not want to come to terms with what the island currently is. They do not want to fully embrace the future. It's sad, really, because Staten Island still has a lot of potential - but I digress, as this is a story for another time.

Anyway, I grew up on Staten Island, and though it sits kind of uncomfortably between the provincialism of small-town America and the cosmopolitanism of NYC, I'm not embarrassed - hell, I'm proud - that it's my hometown. I'll always kind of love it, and I'll always kind of hate it, but I wish it nothing but the best. All in all, it was a pretty good place to grow up.

So, yeah...a little long-winded there, but that's my Staten Island story .
You have written a very nice essay, about Staten Island, and I thank you for it. However, next time, please leave the word "guido," out, and by saying that Staten Island has some young "morons," many of them overly-spoiled, rich youngsters, is enough. "Guido" is a stereotype that has been used for many years against the Italian people, and although I am not Italian, I can feel and understand how the good people of Italian descent would feel, upon reading any article in which they are stereotyped. I do not believe that you meant any harm with it, however, I know that SOME MORONS, have been using it without any thought whatsoever, in MTV, My Space, city-data, and in the New Jersey forums. I looooooooooooove Staten Island, and I am originally from MAN-HAA-TAAN! And the way I feel, if Staten Island was good for Cornelius Vanderbilt and his family, Alice Austen, and her family, and the Outerbridge Family, is excellent for me. These, as you know being a native yourself, were very, very eloquoent families. Have a nice day!
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