NYC is so dirty and overrated (New York, York: crimes, how much, taxi driver)

[jax78]

Originally Posted by welder

P.S. Mannhattan is 24 sq miles (which includes Harlem, which I doubt you walked ALL of). ALL of NYC is 330 sq miles or so. Your walk from Central Park to Wall Street, do you think that was most of NYC?

I have walked all of Manhattan (Avon Walk for Breast Cancer a few weekends ago- from tip to tip and over the BK Bridge) and just walking throughout my life of living here; it beats Chicago.

I like Chicago. It's very clean, but it also seemed very quiet. The vibe didn't fit me well, but it's cool.

[jax78]

Originally Posted by Gardier

See, this was the purpose of me comparing Chicago to Brooklyn, because we all know chicago can't touch Manhattan.

I would rather live in BK or Queens than in Chicago. It's all a matter of opinion though..what's a good place for me, isn't for someone else.

[Redisca]

Look, guys, it's all about standards. For some, cleanliness is next to godliness. Culture, diversity and uniqueness, on the other hand -- well, they have their advantages, but they certainly aren't "next to godliness". Plus, some people use the words "clean" and "culture" pretty much interchangeably, so there is that, too. So let's just agree to disagree. I know folks who will readily spend many thousands of dollars and precious vacation days to visit a place whose number one claim to fame is that it's clean. Then next year, they'll go to another place that's also really clean and a year after that to another. Then they'll compare the respective cleanliness of the three destinations and decide, based on that factor alone, which one is the best. It's just a matter of priorities, that's all. I prefer proverbial gypsies and shoddy pre-1950 architecture with all its nooks and crannies to fake ironed marble and asphalt beaches. Give me the grimy Bucharest any day, and you can keep your germless Singapore (yawn -- no offense). But, that's just me.

So, OP, I'll give you this: Chicago is clean. Like Salt Lake City. Except, of course, that SLC is a much better example of sound utilitarian urban planning. Plus, SLC's new Grand America definitely outbangs Chicago's Drake (in all aspects, including cleanliness). Maybe you can go over to the Utah board and start an excretory contest there.

P.S.: If a city needs some official assessment, performed by a team of "experts", or a poll, or a magazine article to back up the argument that it's great -- that is conclusive proof that it is not, in fact, a great city, but a wannabe. New York definitely does not need the news media to promote it.

[Fred314X]

Originally Posted by Redisca

New York definitely does not need the news media to promote it.

Bingo! Concise and dead on.

Now let's start counting the minutes until someone comes along to dispute this, too.

[Moderate Guy]

Originally Posted by Redisca

Culture, diversity and uniqueness, on the other hand -- well, they have their advantages, but they certainly aren't "next to godliness".

I beg to differ. I do believe that a diversified and cultured environment is a better reflection of godliness than a stifling, monotonous, esthetic, sterile locale whose inhabitants are devoid of those attributes that invigorate the mind, body, and soul. It is in metropolises such as NYC that the arts, science, and finance mix to fulfil the human being's potentail. In so doing, we are drawn closer to God - no better form of godliness than that exists, in my opinion.

[Redisca]

Originally Posted by Miles

I beg to differ. I do believe that a diversified and cultured environment is a better reflection of godliness than a stifling, monotonous, esthetic, sterile locale whose inhabitants are devoid of those attributes that invigorate the mind, body, and soul. It is in metropolises such as NYC that the arts, science, and finance mix to fulfil the human being's potentail. In so doing, we are drawn closer to God - no better form of godliness than that exists, in my opinion.

Miles. *Sigh*. I was being facetious. If you reread my post more carefully, you'll see that I was far from extalling cleanliness as superior to culture.

[Moderate Guy]

Originally Posted by Redisca

Miles. *Sigh*. I was being facetious. If you reread my post more carefully, you'll see that I was far from extalling cleanliness as superior to culture.

I totally inderstood your viewpoints. My argument is that culture, like cleanliness is next to godliness. No sighs here.

[Redisca]

Originally Posted by Miles

I totally inderstood your viewpoints. My argument is that culture, like cleanliness is next to godliness. No sighs here.

My viewpoint certainly isn't that culture does not bring one closer to G-d -- only that culture is often problematic for the people who confuse it it with cleanliness. So, I'm not sure what you were differing with.

[Moderate Guy]

[quote=Redisca Culture, diversity and uniqueness, on the other hand -- well, they have their advantages, but they certainly aren't "next to godliness". QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Redisca

My viewpoint certainly isn't that culture does not bring one closer to G-d --.

You're a lawyer. I'm a layman. Examine your two quotes above and perhaps you can use your dexterity and find some way to semantically distinguish the two- like arguing about "next to" vs "bring closer to."

[arangoa79]

Originally Posted by ChicagoFinance

soho111,

We get it; you're obsessed with NYC. But anyone who has visited both cities agree that Chicago is by far more attractive. We have clean streets; you guys have dirty streets with garbage bags on the corners. Chicago has gorgeous Michigan Avenue, lake michigan, lakeshore drive. And areas like river north, streeterville, and gold coast, are full of beautiful townhomes and luxury condos. I mean for christ's sake, manhattan has housing projects in chelsea and lincoln center! LOL!

Come visit Chicago and experience the city and nightlife, and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Read up buddy

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