Cops got a FAT Raise (Fine: compensation, living, restaurant)

[Sanman04]

Originally Posted by dman72

It's called "They got their taxpayer money, I want mine!!"

The cops needed it, DSNY does not.

Dont get mad because in the end we always make more then FDNY & NYPD....it is what it is.

[MottHavenDude]

Wow...everybody says the same thing...hey I am underpaid too...how come I don't get a lifetime pension, lifetime medical benefits, and a host of city perks like preferential housing/loans, supreme job security (as in you cannot get fired unless you kill someone, and even if you kill someone...you won't get fired unless you really really meant to kill them), etc. Seems like Unionized labor loves to complain no matter how good they have it.

[Sanman04]

You cant beat a city job.

[ogplife]

Originally Posted by Sanman04

Do my job then see how much you think we should get paid. Not as easy as you think.

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I don't want to do your job. That is why I went to college. I would much prefer an office environment. I really don't want to argue because it will come off like I don't think you should get a raise which is not the case , but I will say that you guys are paid quite well (many would say overpaid, but I won't go that far) and if they dropped your salary tomorrow they would still get more than enough good, qualified applicants, unlike cops. I don't like to place a value (salary) on anyones job and that is where this is heading so I won't go back and forth with you. Good luck with the raise.

[MottHavenDude]

How about everyone in the world get a raise...so we can all stop whining! Oh wait...then people will whine about why everyone else got a bigger raise than they did....see a trend here? People just need a reason to complain about stuff...it gives their lives meaning and purpose....it provides a bond between them and their coworkers (us against them..we are one), and it provides an infinite reason to talk..talk..talk...cuz they don't have much else to talk about. I say let them whine....let's see how long it takes before the NYPD starts whining again about their pay. I wonder what they will blame the future horrible recruiting classes on....no wait...they will stay shut about the lackluster recruits b/c then their argument about raises was all wrong!

[NooYowkur81]

Originally Posted by Miles

I'm no good looker myself. Only way I can touch my toes is when I'm in a tub. Graying hair, round belly. Just getting by in life. Struggling to achieve the American Dream. Look at me and you got to figure that this guy sure needs his ship to come in.

Do I want my cops looking like me? Absolutely not. What's with the recent poor image of the NYC cop? And I don't mean their public relations image - we all know that this thread has been examining that.

But whatever happened to the PHYSICAL image? I mean, I look around and I see an upsurge in the number of potbellied, out of shape, awkward looking men and women in the force working the beat near the subways and on the streets.

These fellas look like the only thing they're capable of chasing is a donut rolling down the sidewalk. Can these guys and gals in the force run after the cops and robbers of today? Are they physically fit? Are there any physique requirements to join?

Then we have their demeanor - a lackluster, overly laid back style. Saw a bunch of them hanging - and I mean literally hanging like a bunch of junior high students after school - at the 96/Broadway subway during the recent construction there. Shirts hanging out of pants, arms hugging the stairways, bellies sticking out. Walking up a few stairs to inform the public that one entrance was closed left one officer puffing and panting and searching the sidwalk for a misplaced donut to recharge the batteries. What a sorry looking bunch.

No, we don't need our cops to look like Denzel Weshington or Brad Pitt or a Victoria's Secret model, and we don't need them to win beauty contests either. But is this acceptable to have our cops in such a sorry physical state lacking uprightness and neatness and the appearance that commands respect and adulation?

We've got to do something about our standards of admission to the force. If not every sorry looking dude like me will feel that he can be a cop - and heaven help the city if that's what we have to defend us from the bad guys.

I partially agree with what your saying. There are a lot of out of shape cops. But I don't know if that is exactly a new thing. The fat cop who likes donuts thing is old. lol I remember I was a little kid, still single digit age and I was already hearing the donut jokes.

I think its kinda the nature of the beast. They work all kinds of crazy hours and its not exactly easy to keep a good diet under those conditions. Also from what I hear a lot of them get free food or heavily discounted food at places after a while if they become regulars.

[thekuai]

[quote=ogplife;5004898]

Originally Posted by dman72

It's called "They got their taxpayer money, I want mine!!"

The cops needed it, DSNY does not.[/QUOTE

I am a state employee (Virginia, but I have been a NYC employee too) and it is attitudes like that that make people dislike government employees. I am not even saying DSNY don't deserve a raise, there are plenty of reasons to get a raise (COL, job requirements change, difficulty recruiting etc), but the fact that a position that is not comparable got one and dsny would want one on that basis is a slap in the face to taxpayers. I could see if a Correction Officer was licking his lips looking for a fat raise, but I honestly don't see the correlation between cops and DSNY.

I am a sanitation worker. Out of all city agencies I believe our department has the most physical amount of work. Today my partner and I collected 18 TONS of city resident's refuse, by hand. If broken down evenly, each of us did 9 TONS. So today I picked up 18,000 lbs of household garbage with my own two hands and aching back, and that was just today. Besides dealing with sore muscles we are ranked as having one of the top ten most dangerous jobs in the nation. We deal with angry new yorkers who try to squeeze pass us like our lives are not worth a damn. People throw unthinkable items such as glass, syringes, and hazardous materials for us to pick up. Like postal workers, household collection occurs 6 days a week through rain, snow, or heat. The only time we are truly appreciated is when it snows. Other than that, all new yorkers know is that they put their garbage out before they go to work, and by the time they return, it is gone.

Sure, the department of Sanitation only requires a high school education, but does that give me any less status than that of a police officer? (FYI, I have 91 college credits toward a bachelors in Informations Systems) I know of plenty of co-workers who have 2 and 4 year degrees. Why did we take this job? Because the economy "sucks" and DSNY is offering steady pay with great benefits and a 20 year pension.

I'm not saying a police officer is a bad job but the garbage we deal with does not talk back or spit at us. We don't have to go home and think about that murder victim or one of the five domestic disputes we responded to. We don't have to see images of that kid whose brain was splattered all over the windshield because he didn't wear his seatbelt. And for all the reasons I mentioned, the NYPD deserves this raise. I also think we deserve a raise just to adjust for the cost of living increases. Everything is going up besides our paycheck. It's almost impossible for someone to live off of $31,200 a year in the city.

And don't think it is so easy to get this job. There are people banging on the door to get this job. The exam is only given every 4 years just like the fire department which also does not have a recruitment or attrition problem. The entrance exam still requires a fee to take it and 32,640 people (interesting close to the # of police officers) this past summer took it. They only hire a few hundred a year. What is the most popular thread on this entire site? You probably came across it a few times but haven't read through it since it has to do with "garbage men", but the most popular thread is titled " DSNY sanitation test 6063 nyc thread" and as of now, it has 6,165 posts.

[bmwguydc]

Originally Posted by thekuai

I am a sanitation worker. Out of all city agencies I believe our department has the most physical amount of work. Today my partner and I collected 18 TONS of city resident's refuse, by hand. If broken down evenly, each of us did 9 TONS. So today I picked up 18,000 lbs of household garbage with my own two hands and aching back, and that was just today. Besides dealing with sore muscles we are ranked as having one of the top ten most dangerous jobs in the nation. We deal with angry new yorkers who try to squeeze pass us like our lives are not worth a damn. People throw unthinkable items such as glass, syringes, and hazardous materials for us to pick up. Like postal workers, household collection occurs 6 days a week through rain, snow, or heat. The only time we are truly appreciated is when it snows. Other than that, all new yorkers know is that they put their garbage out before they go to work, and by the time they return, it is gone.

Sure, the department of Sanitation only requires a high school education, but does that give me any less status than that of a police officer? (FYI, I have 91 college credits toward a bachelors in Informations Systems) I know of plenty of co-workers who have 2 and 4 year degrees. Why did we take this job? Because the economy "sucks" and DSNY is offering steady pay with great benefits and a 20 year pension.

I'm not saying a police officer is a bad job but the garbage we deal with does not talk back or spit at us. We don't have to go home and think about that murder victim or one of the five domestic disputes we responded to. We don't have to see images of that kid whose brain was splattered all over the windshield because he didn't wear his seatbelt. And for all the reasons I mentioned, the NYPD deserves this raise. I also think we deserve a raise just to adjust for the cost of living increases. Everything is going up besides our paycheck. It's almost impossible for someone to live off of $31,200 a year in the city.

And don't think it is so easy to get this job. There are people banging on the door to get this job. The exam is only given every 4 years just like the fire department which also does not have a recruitment or attrition problem. The entrance exam still requires a fee to take it and 32,640 people (interesting close to the # of police officers) this past summer took it. They only hire a few hundred a year. What is the most popular thread on this entire site? You probably came across it a few times but haven't read through it since it has to do with "garbage men", but the most popular thread is titled " DSNY sanitation test 6063 nyc thread" and as of now, it has 6,165 posts.

Personally, I think you guys do a great job, and I think the starting salary of $31k is incredibly low, even with benefits, for NYC. I knew that it was a dangerous job, but did not realize just how dangerous until you explained it in your post, especially what people put out for collection in a dangerous state. I have seen the way some drivers act when the truck is being loaded, and that is scary. People should realize that if there's a truck blocking the way that they need to slow down, much as they would for a school bus or an ambulance, not just fly past.

I sometimes run into the collection crew when I am out and about in the morning and give them a friendly wave. I know you cannot accept tips as city employees, but sometimes I have felt horrible with the amount of trash and/or bulky items I had put out for a few days. such that I wish I could do something extra. The guys I have seen have always been very nice and are always efficient, since it amazes me how quickly you can get everything in the truck and be on to the next stop.

LOL...and I must confess that I have read some of the posts on the DSNY thread, though most of it wasn't in my frame of reference, not because of the profession, but because of the jargon used, etc. Thanks for all you do since the rest of the citizens of New York are in your debt and not just during snowstorms!

[Jimbenz31]

Originally Posted by 009

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a 4 year degree is required if you want to wear a white shirt in the department.

Your wrong you can make LT without having a 4yr degree.

[Jimbenz31]

Originally Posted by MottHavenDude

Yes after everything, they finally got the significant raise they have yearned for: IT'S NYPD 'GREEN' FOR COPS - New York Post What they will get: -Rookie pay raised from $36,000 to $42,000 a year -After 5 1/2 years they are paid $76,488, compared to the present $65,382. -The pay spikes to approximately $91,823 when longevity boosts, holiday pay and night-shift differentials are added in, the city said. All this with just an AA from any community college! Why did they not also raise the minimum requirements to a 4 year degree? We want the best..we are paying for the best...but not even a basic 4 years degree? Shameful.

Im sorry but if you know anything about this job a 4yr degree is not needed. Common sense goes alot further then a 2yr or 4yr degree for that matter. A degree on this job DOES NOT make you a better cop, it just gives you the option of making captain or higher if you choose.