What is the absolute worst nieghborhood in nyc? (New York, Greene: section 8, sales)

[roewalker]

bed sty houses are well over 5 ...

anybody buying and living there can live in any surrounding suburb

[SuperMario]

[quote=roewalker;5362230]yes in east harlem condos are going for upwards of 700 or more and selling
so yes the old element is still there but the buying and moving in of the new element continues, as it does in bed sty .... where houses are going for

if these places are so bad, why are people that can buy in NJ and Long Island and connecticut buying there and they have not just start buying there

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Let me educate you. Here are the crime rates for NYC last year. Which two neighborhoods had the HIGHEST crime rates last year?

http://www.city-data.com/forum/2513372-post3.html

Now, your turn.

Present facts.

[roewalker]

facts can mislead when misrepresented or set out of context

bed-sty is selling houses for more than they have historically up until the downturn. i grew up in clinton hill - the neighbor is completely gentrified and adjacent bed-sty is becoming a very mixed neighborhood. so yes there is crime, i don't know the highest areas - but there obviously is not a level a crime that has stopped gentrification.
i think the safety is important, but i really don't think bed-sty is dangerous as far as cities go
- bed sty is huge and has a very different demographic then east new york and brownsville

mott haven has crime also - but i don't see all this danger as reflected as one of the worse neighborhoods in the city

what i would say - is most people willing to commit street violence crime are in these areas - but that number may not be as high as stats make them out -

[SuperMario]

O ok...so you think it's not as bad as the crime stats say?

Well, I will stick with the actual numbers. Bed-Stuy was one of the highest crime areas in the city last year. And yes it is worse than East NY. East NY is huge. So alot of it's raw totals come out looking worse than it really is. But when you look at rates, Bed-Stuy is easily the worst neighborhood in Brooklyn. The neighborhood has not finish gentrifying either, so maybe in a few years what you're saying will happen but in 2008, Bed-Stuy is the hood.

[roewalker]

what the crime statistics do not reflect is the unfortunate level of crime that is young boys and men with anger and hopelessness fighting each other.
you may be right, but the stats don't say so and so lives in a house and goes in and out for ten years while down the block kids are robbing other kids and whatever else, but they aren't extending beyond each other. not to be simplistic but much of what goes on in inter-neighborhood conflict.

as to the gangs - i know street gangs were street gangs at one time - i just think there is too much money out here for that to be the m o for a gang anymore

[SuperMario]

Doesn't matter whose doing it. Why is this not a problem in the UES? The fact is, whoever is doing it is irrelevant....Bed-stuy has this problem, and it's a big one at that. You can go to other neighborhoods and not have to deal with it.

[roewalker]

To me you are saying, because of the stats, these neighborhoods are dangerous.
Maybe it is when compared to an area that is crime free. Street crime free I should say. But the fact that real estate booms for years means that a part of the story is not being represented with the stats.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by roewalker

To me you are saying, because of the stats, these neighborhoods are dangerous.
Maybe it is when compared to an area that is crime free. Street crime free I should say. But the fact that real estate booms for years means that a part of the story is not being represented with the stats.

No it's a high crime area compared to any area. A crime rate of about 1,600+ would place Bed-stuy in the top 10 most dangerous cities. Again, what does real estate have to do with anything? I'm talking about crime. There is no correlation between safety and real estate.

[roewalker]

interesting point ... something or someone is and has been gentrifying the cities for one reason or the other ... it's country wide ... atlanta, raleigh, phoenix, richmond, ...
harlem and bed-sty ...
so crime is one factor that many are willing to overlook
also bedsty is not one police precint, it may be as populated as brownsville eny and bushwick, bed-sty is as populated as half the bronx... i don't know the stats.

There is a culture of violence. I can't argue with your opinion. Depends on one's pockets and comfort level, it is a personal decision. But the picture (diagram-in that it omits many things) is not an objective one, though the picture presented by the mayor of lower crime is not as objective as it should either.


... i see crime spots in queens (according to the stats) where street crime is historically low, one thing is, you may move to an area getting worse out of an area getting better

[roewalker]

no correlation - i can't see that - it's one thing to make a profit on real estate, another to move to the neighborhood. you don't see that. you can't tell me, stats aside, you are talking about a dramatically different east harlem and harlem and mott haven and bed sty ... then say 1985, maybe that's too far back. point is, giving a certain crime environment you can't have real estate boom because you don't have demand - you think maybe the people don't know the stats - i think the stats don't tell the whole story... i will think it over though