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Old 09-16-2008, 09:41 AM
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Good post Miles

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Old 09-16-2008, 12:51 PM
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I only see more events like 9/11 in happening in the future. Does the USA still allow arabs(muslims) into the country? I'm not sure how the policies have gotten since then.
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Old 09-16-2008, 12:54 PM
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I only see more events like 9/11 in happening in the future. Does the USA still allow arabs(muslims) into the country? I'm not sure how the policies have gotten since then.
This is not something that the government does or should do. That would be illegal. Not all Arabs are of the Muslim faith, for one thing. And the tiny minority of those who would wreak havoc on the US does not justify stigmatizing an entire group.
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:10 PM
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Not to sound insensitive -- I have hated every memorial since 9/11 happened, even though I was IN the World Trade Center on 9/11/01. On the 1-year anniversary, it took me over 3 hours to get home (instead of the usual 1 hour) because of all the street and ferry closures. Every day since has been marked by public transportation disruptions, rerouting, ridiculously overcrowded trains, etc. It's regrettable that a day of remembrance has to be turned into one of annoyance.

Redisca raises good points. If you look at what happens AFTER 9/11; who profited, and who gained more power, then its obvious who the real enemy is. Millions of people either don't want to believe it, or believe "The Story" that is broadcast over the government media complex( i.e Fox). Also, it's proven, that people believe what looks to be what everybody else believes, not even thinking about it on there own." This will solidify "The Story" even more..


Homeland security and TSA has taken away liberalities from U.S citizens and has made traveling more inconvenient. Wall street insiders have spoken on the record that a unknown group of people made some serious money DUE to 9/11, and that the money was manipulated in a way in wall street as if they KNEW what was going to happen before hand.


BTW, your government has not given you any clear answers, in fact it has confiscated tapes, evidence and other pertinent information that should be released to the families of the victims as well as to the American people. But yet, all they tell you is, "we are still looking for Bin Laden" ( when they had a relationship with the family for years) and you sit in your lazyboy and believe the lie. You do no research on your own!!!


What I will say, is that, there is NO WAR ON TERROR!! It's all manufactured to keep you scared, and to secure more control over you. If they get you scared enough, I know many of you reading this (yea you) will give up your rights to be protected by "big brother."


Whats going on, is is a mental war on your mind. Have you noticed that War on Terror NEVER goes away? This could go on for decades with your children growing up in fear and terror, and this does not cross your mind?


Do you want to know who I'm angry at? I'm angry at the American people! The only things Americans care about are HD TV'z, football, hot dogs, or making an extra 20k to go on that lavish vacation.


Not to say that we cant enjoy ourselves, but, we have mixed up all of our priorities. People have become slaves to fiction American dream and nothing else matters... Ops, I forgot, your car rims matter.. Sorry.. Meanwhile, American troops come home in caskets (that you don't see) and warfare is spread over seas but you say nothing about it because it's not on your OWN doorstep. You selfish, fastfood eating, ipod wearing, drunk Americans!! This is why we are hated!!


We have the power to do anything we want BUT ONLY AS ONE collective unit!! Just like a child is reared by abusive parents and does not know that he is living in a dysfunctional home, a hole nation can reside under a dysfunctional abusive government and not know it...


Ha, all you people complain about high taxes, taking shoes off to board a plain, national ID cards, immigration, bla bla bla. But you all do NOTHING! Well, except put a little sticker on your car that says, "Bush=liar", or, "I support the troops," while you drive to Starbucks. Oooo, 50 years from now some college kid is going to read about the sticker rights movement. Please!! You don't deeply care, and those company's took your money!


So all you people, unless you plan to do something about it, just hush your mouth and drop your clothes to your ankles so the the security guard can search and treat you like Jon Gotti..

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Old 09-18-2008, 04:37 PM
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Default The new world trade center....

....should be built to resemble the former ones, incorporating lessons learned to avoid a similar collapse scenario.

But they should be about 20 stories higher with those floors reserved for the middle eastern embassies.

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Old 09-19-2008, 09:14 AM
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Morphous01 happens to be right. Everyone complains, but nobody does anything about it. And we've actually got more power to do something than people in most countries--but we don't exercise that power the way we should.

That is to say, we as a people could, if we wanted to, elect competent and honest administrators. Oh, and would you look at this: there's a Presidential election coming up in just a few weeks! Let's see what percentage of Americans don't vote. (Fewer votes cast = that much better chance for McCain to be our next President. Four more years of the Bush/Cheney cabal. I wonder how many people actually want that?)

Did everyone see that editorial in the NY Times this week about the McCain plan for health insurance? He wants to eliminate employer-based coverage. In other words, we should be paying for it ourselves. It's very curious that there hasn't been a huge national outcry about this. Or, maybe it's not curious at all.
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Morphous01 happens to be right. Everyone complains, but nobody does anything about it. And we've actually got more power to do something than people in most countries--but we don't exercise that power the way we should.

That is to say, we as a people could, if we wanted to, elect competent and honest administrators. Oh, and would you look at this: there's a Presidential election coming up in just a few weeks! Let's see what percentage of Americans don't vote. (Fewer votes cast = that much better chance for McCain to be our next President. Four more years of the Bush/Cheney cabal. I wonder how many people actually want that?)

Did everyone see that editorial in the NY Times this week about the McCain plan for health insurance? He wants to eliminate employer-based coverage. In other words, we should be paying for it ourselves. It's very curious that there hasn't been a huge national outcry about this. Or, maybe it's not curious at all.
With all due respect to you, I don't want to debate your political perspectives - but be advised that some of us are Republicans supporting the ticket you decried above.
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Old 09-19-2008, 11:19 AM
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Morphous01 happens to be right. Everyone complains, but nobody does anything about it. And we've actually got more power to do something than people in most countries--but we don't exercise that power the way we should.

That is to say, we as a people could, if we wanted to, elect competent and honest administrators. Oh, and would you look at this: there's a Presidential election coming up in just a few weeks! Let's see what percentage of Americans don't vote. (Fewer votes cast = that much better chance for McCain to be our next President. Four more years of the Bush/Cheney cabal. I wonder how many people actually want that?)

Did everyone see that editorial in the NY Times this week about the McCain plan for health insurance? He wants to eliminate employer-based coverage. In other words, we should be paying for it ourselves. It's very curious that there hasn't been a huge national outcry about this. Or, maybe it's not curious at all.
Fred, I am surprised you are agreeing with the Morophus post. Its fine to express that people need to take a stand, but his post expresses nothing but ranting paranoia.

Do you really believe the war on terror is manufactured??

And there hasn't been a "huge national outcry" about the McCain health care plan b/c there is a lot more to it than just "eliminating employer provided health care" .

The problem with politics is that someone will pick up the New York times and read "McCain health care plan to eliminate company provided insurance" and without looking any further into decide the Obama plan is better.

Believing that McCain will be exactly the same as Bush is as bad as believing Obama is secretly a radical Muslim, or that he is an anti-white raciest.
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Fred, I am surprised you are agreeing with the Morophus post. Its fine to express that people need to take a stand, but his post expresses nothing but ranting paranoia.

Do you really believe the war on terror is manufactured??

And there hasn't been a "huge national outcry" about the McCain health care plan b/c there is a lot more to it than just "eliminating employer provided health care" .

The problem with politics is that someone will pick up the New York times and read "McCain health care plan to eliminate company provided insurance" and without looking any further into decide the Obama plan is better.

Believing that McCain will be exactly the same as Bush is as bad as believing Obama is secretly a radical Muslim, or that he is an anti-white raciest.
Excellent post!
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I didn't mean to say that I think the war on terror is manufactured. I think it's genuine, although I don't think it's being prosecuted as well as it might be.

As to Miles and those Republicans--believe me, I know that. They're the ones who can be counted on to vote. That's fairly obvious, in a country where 80% of the registered voters are Democrats.

And as far as Obama's health plan...show me where he proposes to dump an additional 20 million people into the pool of those who pay for their own health coverage.
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