NYC / Chicago / L.A. - Gangs (Highland: neighborhood, dangerous, safe)

[makossa]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Great post. Agree with everything you said.

NYC has always been a city run by drug dealers. When LA recorded it's peak homicide number in 1992, gang banging was at its highest. Most homicides were caused by gangs. In NYC, 1990, there wasn't many people following the bloods and crips, so that homicide number was virtually all do to drugs. Two rates of about 33 per 100,000 but totally different ways of getting there. Chicago has also always been more of a gang banging city. NYC is safer nowadays, but the number of homicides are still tide mostly to drugs. Another example of a city run by drugs is Miami. It's highest murder rate in 1984, made it the muder capital with a rate around 95 per 100,000. But we all know this was the Miami vice era, with the Cuban and the Columbian drug cartels.

And thank you BMWGUYDC for a great post.

SuperMario, I agree with you strongly.

I can shed a little light on the current Chicago gang (mentality) structure though.

As it is true, Chicago was always a gang bangin’ town. Many years ago is was mostly based on territory, and colors so to speak.
Now - IT’S DRUGS PERIOD!!! Gang Bangin’ murders reported in the media really equate to drugs. Mis-report these drug wars as turf wars and now the city appears less drug infested.

These gangs have evolved over generations, are well organized, extremely violent, and most are run as any organized crime mafia.

These are true drug empires, which Chicago is the hub to the entire Midwest and in many cases, well beyond! It is NOT a meth town. It’s Heroin #1, and crack. Their soldiers selling blatantly on the streets are well disciplined, the ones that are bad for business are delt with severely.

You can go down a hot block and (I’m telling you truthfully) there may be three different affiliations competing for business in an uneasy truce. But…. When stuff jumps off, you got a real Baghdad going on, yet you’ll never hear a word of it in the media.

Chicago gangs only export factions, never import. No Bloods or Crips in Chicago, although they did try. Don’t count on another attempt.

Chicago gangs have huge numbers (not as high as L.A. of course) and are tightly structured. I swear, if many of these upper echelon gangsters were businessmen in a legitimate endeavor they would be hangin’ with Trump!!!

I have many more ugly accounts, which I prefer not to share at this time.

[makossa]

Originally Posted by bluchidog

Each gang in Chicago is affiliated with either People or Folk nation/alliance. Gangs in the People alliance symbols are usually with a 5 point star and usually wear hats tilted towards left side. Gangs in the Folk alliance symbols usually have the 6 point star( like the Jewish star) and wear hats or bandanas towards right side. Basically the People and Folk alliance is similar to back in the CIvil War era, where southern states alliance was the Union( Confederate Flag) and the Northern States had there own alliance(Yankees or whatever). To get a better understanding, go to www.chicagogangs.org and the website show you all the Chicago gangs.

YOU GET REP!!!
You agree with my post #31? Most of my experiences have been on the wild wild west side. You been in the wild100's?

[Chicagoland60426]

Originally Posted by makossa

YOU GET REP!!!
You agree with my post #31? Most of my experiences have been on the wild wild west side. You been in the wild100's?

Yes agree with your post, most Chicago gangs don't color bang like they use to back in the 80s & 90s; its more about money nowadays. Yes I been in the Wild 100s(Roseland neighborhood). Most of the tourist that come to Chicago and say it is so nice & clean only been to downtown and the yuppieville neighborhoods( Lincoln Park, Lakeview, Wicker park) and never see how grimey/rough Chicago can get. I'm sure you heard about all the kids that been shot or killed over the summer in Chicago, because of tensions between different gangs.Gang and drug related murders have spread to numerous suburbs in Chicago; Cicero, Maywood, Harvey, Aurora have been hit with gang tensions. Chicago gangs are well establish in certain neighborhoods. Why you think Chicago is one of the few cities that don't have LA gangs. Even Chicago Black P. Stone gang was able to influence the LA Blood gang. Before LA, Chicago was the gang capital of the US.

[marilyn220]

Originally Posted by bluchidog

Actually Chicago gang problem is comparable to LA. Chicago acually have around a 100 different gangs in the city alone, with between 70,000-100,000 gang members in Chicago. And also Chicago have many latino gangs that started in Chicago(ex. Latin Kings, Gangster Two Six, Maniac latin Disciples , Latin Dragons) and many black gangs, but it is a little bit more latino gangs in Chicago than black gangs.

Here is the 2007 homicide rate in LA, Chicago, NYC

Los Angeles- 390(murders)- 10.1(murder rate)

Chicago- 443(murders)- 15.7(murder rate)

New York City- 496(murders)- 6.0(murder rate

I believe you.

And it's a damn shame either way you spill it. Sad.

[Bronx-Rochester]

Most FOLKS we Ride for Growth & Development for our brothers of the struggle. There are alot in the East Bronx. and we are not a gang.

[welder]

Originally Posted by makossa

SuperMario, I agree with you strongly.

I can shed a little light on the current Chicago gang (mentality) structure though.

As it is true, Chicago was always a gang bangin’ town. Many years ago is was mostly based on territory, and colors so to speak.
Now - IT’S DRUGS PERIOD!!! Gang Bangin’ murders reported in the media really equate to drugs. Mis-report these drug wars as turf wars and now the city appears less drug infested.

These gangs have evolved over generations, are well organized, extremely violent, and most are run as any organized crime mafia.

These are true drug empires, which Chicago is the hub to the entire Midwest and in many cases, well beyond! It is NOT a meth town. It’s Heroin #1, and crack. Their soldiers selling blatantly on the streets are well disciplined, the ones that are bad for business are delt with severely.

You can go down a hot block and (I’m telling you truthfully) there may be three different affiliations competing for business in an uneasy truce. But…. When stuff jumps off, you got a real Baghdad going on, yet you’ll never hear a word of it in the media.

Chicago gangs only export factions, never import. No Bloods or Crips in Chicago, although they did try. Don’t count on another attempt.

Chicago gangs have huge numbers (not as high as L.A. of course) and are tightly structured. I swear, if many of these upper echelon gangsters were businessmen in a legitimate endeavor they would be hangin’ with Trump!!!

I have many more ugly accounts, which I prefer not to share at this time.

Thank you, hopefully SuperMario will read that. Even in Al Copone's day they fought over DRUGS (alcohol being the drug).

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by welder

Thank you, hopefully SuperMario will read that. Even in Al Copone's day they fought over DRUGS (alcohol being the drug).

You have no concept on how gangs work. Keep believing what you want to believe. Gangs sell drugs on the side if at all. The gang banging lifestyle has everything to do territory and colors. Read up on old NYC drug crews. Those are "gangs" that have everything to do with drugs.

[makossa]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

You have no concept on how gangs work. Keep believing what you want to believe. Gangs sell drugs on the side if at all. The gang banging lifestyle has everything to do territory and colors. Read up on old NYC drug crews. Those are "gangs" that have everything to do with drugs.

Hey SuperMario, your above reply to welder is probably totally correct for NYC, but, and please trust me on this one, not so in Chicago. Yes a one time, especially the 80's/90's, now they've moved on to another level.

I will admit though, IMO many of the Hispanic gangs in Chicago probably indulge in more turf/colors wars than the Black Mafias. Yes, that is correct, in The Chi GD's, VL's, UVL's, etc..... are truly run like any mafioso.

Seriously, ask Bluchidog, he knows more about the Chicago gang scene so far posted on this thread. In fact, he was the one that started the Chicago Thread which prompted me to stat a current thread for in in New York.

In Chicago it's all about the money first. Turf Wars? Yes, if that piece or real estate has value in terms of drug sales.

[SuperMario]

I can understand what you're saying but when Vice-Lords, Gangster Disciples etc but they are not drug gangs like Purple City, Wild Cowboys or the Jherri Curls. They originally were strictly street gangs, and Peoples would go after Folks and vice-versa. Same with LA. nowadays they are focusing more on drugs but it still does not change what they are. They are a gang bang first. You see one, you shoot. The drug crews used to dress up as police officers, take rival members into tenements and tell them to get on the walls and just eliminate groups of 30's and 40's...daily. Chicago "mobs" and LA gangs don't do that. Maybe a killing or two over drugs but it doesn't make up as large as a percentage as NYC drug murders. They are street gangs and not drug crews. There is a difference.

[Chicagoland60426]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

I can understand what you're saying but when Vice-Lords, Gangster Disciples etc but they are not drug gangs like Purple City, Wild Cowboys or the Jherri Curls. They originally were strictly street gangs, and Peoples would go after Folks and vice-versa. Same with LA. nowadays they are focusing more on drugs but it still does not change what they are. They are a gang bang first. You see one, you shoot. The drug crews used to dress up as police officers, take rival members into tenements and tell them to get on the walls and just eliminate groups of 30's and 40's...daily. Chicago "mobs" and LA gangs don't do that. Maybe a killing or two over drugs but it doesn't make up as large as a percentage as NYC drug murders. They are street gangs and not drug crews. There is a difference.

Yes you are right about NYC gangs/crews are originally just drug gangs and Chicago gangs are street gangs and a combination of both. I thought since NYC now have LA & Chicago based gangs, its more about turf now in NYC. Chicago gangs are street gangs that deal with turf and all that, but nowadays its a little more of a combination of both(drugs & gangbanging). Makossa was right that the hispanic gangs in Chicago are a little bit more territorial than black gangs. In Chicago, the much older gang members(mid 20s & 30s) are the ones that control the drug operations, while the younger gang members are gangbanging; This is true with black gangs. Its been many times when the Chicago police busted drug operation, especially in the projects like Cabrini Green , Robert Taylors , and other projects that were run by black street gangs. Right now the Chicago gang scene is out of control and many young kids are getting shot/killed by stray bullets and mistaken identity. Its kind of hard to explain, but I do know that hispanic gangs in Chicago are more territorial(but still deal with drugs on the side), and will shoot their rivals that will try to come in their hoods; this is true in the city & suburbs. Black gangs are the same way, but less territorial/colors and more about getting money. Chicago gangs do have their colors, but nowadays the best way to identify a Chicago gang member is how they wear their hats; People(left side) Folks(right side) and tatoos(not all gang members have tatoos). Idk about LA, but I do know LA gangs identify with colors & bandanas more.