My thoughts on gentrification (Clinton, Accord: friendly, education, inclusive)

[analyticalkeys]

Originally Posted by njnyckid

I just looked at gothamist and it seems like in the past 24 hours Williamsburg, of all places, has had 3 shootings. This is a bit of a surprise for a place that's been mostly gentrified.

Williamsburg has been gentrified, but everyone knows it's still not a perfect place. It's only the idealists who assume that Williamsburg is a completely different place now, and only hipsters live there. This isn't really reality.. as you can see.

[njnyckid]

Oh I know it's definitely not perfect especially the South Side and, ddhboy, I did read that article you're talking about (which was pretty interesting) & I'm not surprised that squatters are going into vacant buildings and more vacant lots are appearing. It's just that 3 shootings in 24 hours is more Brownsville/Bed-Stuy/ENY material, it's nothing I would assume happening in Wburg of this current day.

And the stalled projects in BK are horrible: there's one on my aunt's block in Prospect-Leffert Gardens that's been abandoned for a LONG time, I remember even about 6 or 7 years ago they were building it & then they just stop.

[zac14]

Some new ones...

Wild gun battle leaves one dead, two wounded in Brooklyn

Mortally wounded aunt still saves her nephew, 8: Carries boy to safety as bullets fly in Brooklyn

Body of Eridania Rodriguez, missing cleaning woman, found bound in tape and stuffed in air duct

Handyman shot dead by undercover drug officer in botched buy and bust deal

Man, 21, stabbed to death in Brooklyn

A shootout in Bushwick leaves innocent woman dead

[Infamous92]

Originally Posted by zac14

Some new ones...

Wild gun battle leaves one dead, two wounded in Brooklyn

Mortally wounded aunt still saves her nephew, 8: Carries boy to safety as bullets fly in Brooklyn

Body of Eridania Rodriguez, missing cleaning woman, found bound in tape and stuffed in air duct

Handyman shot dead by undercover drug officer in botched buy and bust deal

Man, 21, stabbed to death in Brooklyn

A shootout in Bushwick leaves innocent woman dead

I'm really starting to think NYC will have well above "2008's recorded amount of murders" in 2009.

[vitalove]

Things are definitely changing as far as crime goes. The numbers are going up, weekend after weekend. It's really sad to see. I think we've all gotten too comfortable in the past few years.

[BKTony]

Originally Posted by Infamous92

I'm really starting to think NYC will have well above "2008's recorded amount of murders" in 2009.

I agree with you. I have seen two shooting scenes in Brooklyn (one on Central Avenue the other on Rutland Avenue) this year that didn't even make news. Apparently unless someone is killed it is not news this year. So I have feeling there is more violence this year than last.

[Elvira Black]

I agree that Brooklyn seems to be getting a lot of "hits" lately, but same goes for my area--a number of murders though the NYPD likes to say crime is down. I'd say arrests are up, but as someone said it may be for more "petty" crimes. Considering the hood though I'd say there are lots of shady characters, but seems like a revolving door with some of them. And yeah, I get the feeling that minor infractions which bring revenue to the city are more commonplace.

I think the broken windows theory does have some merit though. There's a new anti graffiti ordinance; think bldg owners get funded for keeping the bldgs graffiti free and a fine if they don't.

Manhattan has become very safe but kinda sterile and tourist friendly to the extreme. It's a showpiece for sure. To be fair, Killadelphia and other cities are worse off crime wise, but Operation Impact here means that the streets are either flooded with cops or when it's over and they move on all the lowlives have free reign again. And even with police presence murders are still going on.

Some of these are reported, but I've also noticed when you read a crime blotter in the local papers it has fewer reports from the Bronx and more from the other boros, which seems suspicious to me. The Bronx is becoming a bit more gentrified around the edges, and some of it could be an attempt to quell people's fears about moving here, but it's still the poorest boro and poor folks from Wash Hts etc move here when they can't afford their rent and/or get run out by the landlords.

Brooklyn did become a semi-Manhattan, but there are still some sections that are marginal, so maybe that explains the crime rise; also the new construction as you folks said.

[Elvira Black]

Originally Posted by njnyckid

I just looked at gothamist and it seems like in the past 24 hours Williamsburg, of all places, has had 3 shootings. This is a bit of a surprise for a place that's been mostly gentrified.

Actually it makes sense to me cuz that's where the money is...also some of the younger folks may be more guileless and have a false sense of security. Plus I do think there's a lot of resentlment amongst old residents and I can understand some of that as well, but certainly it does not justify crime.

On the other hand as I often say, white collar criminals make these guys look very small time indeed. It seems like our society kind of enables by example, with the only no-no getting caught.

[njnyckid]

Originally Posted by Elvira Black

Actually it makes sense to me cuz that's where the money is...also some of the younger folks may be more guileless and have a false sense of security. Plus I do think there's a lot of resentlment amongst old residents and I can understand some of that as well, but certainly it does not justify crime.

I don't know. If that was the case, shouldn't there have been more crime a couple of years ago when the gentrification was going crazy.

BK really took the brunt this weekend as far as murders go and in the most typical neighbrohoods. I can't believe people are saying crime is down with a straight face when last year wasn't this bad as far as I remember.

[offsafety]

Bad vacation: A woman visiting from Florida shot at Brooklyn block party

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c...a_knifing.html

brooklyn still wilds out crime may be goin down but bk and the bronx still do dirt ,when ppl out of town see that crime is down they tend to think that means the city has gone soft and is yuppied out which is poor judgement right there you can still get hurt out here it may not be 1990 but that doesnt mean that you cant get chalk lined...