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Old 10-07-2008, 01:55 PM
 
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There were some good ones in there.

No I did not participate in it and Im not trying to lower property values to eventually participate in it either. Nice try Henna, I know you love to attack anyone who isnt a gentrification-happy newcomer.

I think there is a difference between living in the absolute cheapest place and absolute cheapest nice place. No sense in living with roaches, mice, rats, etc if you came from something nicer. Also, much of reason I brought up the quality of life issue is that I personally get irritated when I see the news show innocent victims raped, killed, stabbed, etc from being in the wrong place (rougher neighborhoods or blocks) at the wrong time. Moving into a high crime area to save $x/mo has can have its consequences, Its a shame when realtors, gentrifyers, etc over push a neighborhood and people get themselves in deeper water than they are used to. The problem with places in the outer boroughs is they tend to be quieter than the crowded places of Manhattan at night, so if theres nobody on the street at 4am to save you, good luck. People can end up like that girl on the G train who got raped and nobody else was around except the wimpy subway booth person. I dont know how that guy lives with himself just standing around like that. Pathetic. Nobody likes to see this stuff happen, period.
I would agree with your negative characterization of most real estate agents. I do believe, btw, that they are in large part responsible for the housing crisis and its consequent national economic malaise that we are all presently experiencing.

However, I do think your rationale for why people move into certain neighborhoods is awfully simplistic. True, people move to get rents that are as close as possible to their budgets. True, some gentrifyers/developers, and the usual commission-hungry real estate agents hype neighborhoods without stating the downsides.

I do suggest, however, that it's all part of the evolution of a city as in high demand as NYC is. When we expand the frontiers of revitalization and gentrification to all borders of the city, we are in the process introducing services and facilities to all residents - the existing ones and the newcomers. When done properly where the former can co-exist alongside the latter and together reap the rewards of the developments taking place, we have a win-win situation.

That anyone should get raped, murdered, robbed, attacked - newcomer or existing residents - is appalling. With the extension of revitalization, an expanding tax base, new businesses, one should expect a commensurate increase in law enforcement - yes, way out into the perimeters of the outer borough on those lonely streets you mentioned. No area can be totally crime-free, but our city will never realize its full potentail for all its citizens if we were to pick and choose where to pour our resources and if newcomers were scared away from outer borough locales that were hitherto desolate or unoccupied.
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Old 10-07-2008, 02:25 PM
 
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I understand a city will "evolve" and "bad" areas may become Manhattanized over time. However, I still think my view is valid. I can reason with why someone from Detroit or Oakland would move to the South Bronx or a Bed Stuy type neighborhood - its most likely an upgrade. But often times people are moving from Short Hills, Shaker Heights, or the cornfield. I just dont understand it. Its a huge overall quality of life downgrade.


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I would agree with your negative characterization of most real estate agents. I do believe, btw, that they are in large part responsible for the housing crisis and its consequent national economic malaise that we are all presently experiencing.

However, I do think your rationale for why people move into certain neighborhoods is awfully simplistic. True, people move to get rents that are as close as possible to their budgets. True, some gentrifyers/developers, and the usual commission-hungry real estate agents hype neighborhoods without stating the downsides.

I do suggest, however, that it's all part of the evolution of a city as in high demand as NYC is. When we expand the frontiers of revitalization and gentrification to all borders of the city, we are in the process introducing services and facilities to all residents - the existing ones and the newcomers. When done properly where the former can co-exist alongside the latter and together reap the rewards of the developments taking place, we have a win-win situation.

That anyone should get raped, murdered, robbed, attacked - newcomer or existing residents - is appalling. With the extension of revitalization, an expanding tax base, new businesses, one should expect a commensurate increase in law enforcement - yes, way out into the perimeters of the outer borough on those lonely streets you mentioned. No area can be totally crime-free, but our city will never realize its full potentail for all its citizens if we were to pick and choose where to pour our resources and if newcomers were scared away from outer borough locales that were hitherto desolate or unoccupied.
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Old 10-12-2008, 02:32 AM
 
Location: Queens
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I understand a city will "evolve" and "bad" areas may become Manhattanized over time. However, I still think my view is valid. I can reason with why someone from Detroit or Oakland would move to the South Bronx or a Bed Stuy type neighborhood - its most likely an upgrade. But often times people are moving from Short Hills, Shaker Heights, or the cornfield. I just dont understand it. Its a huge overall quality of life downgrade.
Some people are just wierd, you know?
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Old 01-17-2012, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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There are some very nice parts of Newark.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:14 AM
 
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Talking apartment rental

Hello
I would like to rent a very cheap apartment near NY, max 300 usd/month.
I could not pay broker fee also.
How i find it.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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I've looked around apartment for rent sites and in South Bronx the cheapest studios right now is in Hunts Point and Morrisania plenty for $650 -$700.

Same ole song and dance.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:33 AM
 
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Morrisania is the most affordable rent in the entire borough I believe, and it might be in the entire city. I read is somewhere but can't find the link. If you are looking for affordability, the Bronx (in general) always wins.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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This thread was started in 2007. Hope the OP has found a place by now.
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Old 02-24-2012, 07:32 PM
 
Location: NYC fulltime & Lewes, DE partime :)
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Me too. I wonder what happened to him...
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Old 02-24-2012, 08:41 PM
 
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Edgemere/Arverne is the cheapest place to rent in the 5 boroughs. Maybe somewhere on staten island, not to sure tho.
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