The new kid on the gentrification block? (Orleans: crime, neighborhoods)

[Slendabrn38]

Originally Posted by NooYowkur81

Personally I don't see Crown Heights or Bed Stuy ever fully gentrifying.....

Music to the ears of people who already live there.

[LLOJ]

Wow, so I guess that my home Fort Greene neighborhood will never get rid of the hipsters. I haven't realized that Fort Greene has become so gentrified, maybe I should take a walk around the neighborhood again.

[UrbanQuest]

Originally Posted by King0fthehill

What are the demographics of LES? and how much would a studio cost out there?

All I could find included the LES and Chinatown combined.

Total Population 164,407

White Nonhispanic 46,396 28.2%

Black/African American Nonhispanic 11,633 7.1%

Asian or Pacific Islander Nonhispanic 57,871 35.2%

American Indian and Alaska Native Nonhispanic 240 0.1%

Nonhispanic of Two or More Races - - 3,475 2.1%

Hispanic Origin 44,195 26.9%

[cocoaeve]

Lived in Crown Heights for over 8 years and I must say more it's changing bit by bit. Basically it depends on what side of Eastern Parkway you are on.

The East side of the Parkway going towards Empire Blvd is mostly Jewish and the west side is mainly African American/West Indian giving that after Atlantic Ave you are basically in Bed-Stuy.

I've seen a number of Caucasians move in since they are renovated the Children's Library.

There's still crime though because Albany Projects are right up the block and it can get dark and dreary walking down Kingston Ave at night so basically you have to be alert and you will be ok.

[ddhboy]

Originally Posted by cocoaeve

Lived in Crown Heights for over 8 years and I must say more it's changing bit by bit. Basically it depends on what side of Eastern Parkway you are on.

The East side of the Parkway going towards Empire Blvd is mostly Jewish and the west side is mainly African American/West Indian giving that after Atlantic Ave you are basically in Bed-Stuy.

I've seen a number of Caucasians move in since they are renovated the Children's Library.

There's still crime though because Albany Projects are right up the block and it can get dark and dreary walking down Kingston Ave at night so basically you have to be alert and you will be ok.

This is one of the more accurate descriptions of crown heights I've seen here. I've grew up in this neighborhood, and the jewish areas and about a 2 block area outside of those boarders are the safest in the neighborhood. Past Eastern Parkway heading towards Bed Stuy, forget about it, especially at Albany Projects. Its like night and day to the rest of the neighborhood. On the other side, I'd say that once you get past Troy towards Utica the neighborhood slowly becomes more dangerous, same thing from Nostrand to Franklin Ave. Then from Empire Blvd south.

I find that most of the gentrifiers are living in the worst parts of the neighborhood, across Eastern parkway towards Bed-Stuy near Franklin Ave. and then have the nerve to say that ALL of the neighborhood is bad. Well, yeah, I suppose if you move into the WORST part of the neighborhood it would seem pretty dangerous, but that's your fault. Why did you think that portion of Crown Heights was so much cheaper than the surrounding areas? And that area has some of the poorest people in the neighborhood, many of whom either spent their entire lives living in that area or recently immigrated into the country. Ofcourse they're mad that you're kicking them out and shutting down their rasta cafe to put in some pretentious German beer garden. Plus Crown Heights is mostly a family neighborhood, regardless of race or financial standing, so to complain about people not wanting you to smoke in front of their child's school is also a strange action.

[jacktravern]

Originally Posted by LLOJ

Wow, so I guess that my home Fort Greene neighborhood will never get rid of the hipsters. I haven't realized that Fort Greene has become so gentrified, maybe I should take a walk around the neighborhood again.

Has Fort Greene really Gentrifieded b/c the last time I took a ride down Tillary Street there was still housing projects to the left and right and I was wondering what all the fuss was about.

[Banx]

I'm not downplaying anyone's bad experiences in NYC's rough areas, but I think its safe to assume that a majority of NYC is almost completely safe nowadays. Especially ABC City/LES, I was there last night and thinking to myself "if only I could afford to live in this area...", and this is the same area many are calling a ghetto (?????? I didn't even think people classified LES as hood anymore)). Not only is it in Manhattan, and not only would it cost above a grand to rent a studio there, but it's neighbors are areas like SOHO and Greenwich Village, some of the most expensive real estate areas in the country. I hardly think that qualifies as ghetto. I was in the South Bronx, and up on Dyckman St. in northern Manhattan too the other day and thought they were really decent areas, just a little more dirty than other places. If only people in the west side of Chicago could see what New Yorkers classify as ghetto now. They would have a field day sticking up people in the Bronx or Washington Heights, like it was Christmas time. If ur paying around a 1000 dollars for a studio apartment and still have money to purchase Gucci and Air Jordan's and a Billionares Boys Club hoodie, and consider spending $8.00 on McNuggets at McDonalds as saving money, ur not ghetto... sorry. I don't know where alot of people in the Bronx and Brooklyn and especially Manhattan get off as acting tough and ghetto in NYC, when most people who make a decent living elsewhere could never afford to live there. It doesn't make any sense to me, how do the "poor people" survive in NYC?

But getting back to the thread, if u move anywhere in NYC, with a couple of exceptions on a very few places, u will be fine. I wouldn't sweat, a majority of cities out there are way worse than NYC thanks to it's over-the-top gentrification.

[Henna]

Originally Posted by Banx

I'm not downplaying anyone's bad experiences in NYC's rough areas, but I think its safe to assume that a majority of NYC is almost completely safe nowadays. Especially ABC City/LES, I was there last night and thinking to myself "if only I could afford to live in this area...", and this is the same area many are calling a ghetto (?????? I didn't even think people classified LES as hood anymore)). Not only is it in Manhattan, and not only would it cost above a grand to rent a studio there, but it's neighbors are areas like SOHO and Greenwich Village, some of the most expensive real estate areas in the country. I hardly think that qualifies as ghetto. I was in the South Bronx, and up on Dyckman St. in northern Manhattan too the other day and thought they were really decent areas, just a little more dirty than other places. If only people in the west side of Chicago could see what New Yorkers classify as ghetto now. They would have a field day sticking up people in the Bronx or Washington Heights, like it was Christmas time. If ur paying around a 1000 dollars for a studio apartment and still have money to purchase Gucci and Air Jordan's and a Billionares Boys Club hoodie, and consider spending $8.00 on McNuggets at McDonalds as saving money, ur not ghetto... sorry. I don't know where alot of people in the Bronx and Brooklyn and especially Manhattan get off as acting tough and ghetto in NYC, when most people who make a decent living elsewhere could never afford to live there. It doesn't make any sense to me, how do the "poor people" survive in NYC?

But getting back to the thread, if u move anywhere in NYC, with a couple of exceptions on a very few places, u will be fine. I wouldn't sweat, a majority of cities out there are way worse than NYC thanks to it's over-the-top gentrification.

How much of the Lower East Side did you see? Just the fancy parts with the condos and the tiny little expensive restaurants and the hip bars?

And how many people have actually called the Lower East Side "a ghetto"? I only looked briefly but couldn't find it in this thread. I saw where someone said there are "ghetto blocks" and "ghetto amenities" but that's using the word ghetto as an adjective to describe a property of a portion of the neighborhood.

[latikeriii]

Originally Posted by Banx

If only people in the west side of Chicago could see what New Yorkers classify as ghetto now. They would have a field day sticking up people in the Bronx or Washington Heights, like it was Christmas time. If ur paying around a 1000 dollars for a studio apartment and still have money to purchase Gucci and Air Jordan's and a Billionares Boys Club hoodie, and consider spending $8.00 on McNuggets at McDonalds as saving money, ur not ghetto... sorry. I don't know where alot of people in the Bronx and Brooklyn and especially Manhattan get off as acting tough and ghetto in NYC, when most people who make a decent living elsewhere could never afford to live there. It doesn't make any sense to me, how do the "poor people" survive in NYC?

LOL, its funny how people think the South side of Chicago is the worst, there are some bad parts but the West Side is bad from top to bottom, its probably THE worst area of any city in the nation along with parts of Detroit, Philly, and New Orleans. NYC has its bad parts but I agree, NYC as a whole is a lot safer than most large cities.

[Henna]

Originally Posted by Banx

I'm not downplaying anyone's bad experiences in NYC's rough areas, but I think its safe to assume that a majority of NYC is almost completely safe nowadays. Especially ABC City/LES, I was there last night and thinking to myself "if only I could afford to live in this area...", and this is the same area many are calling a ghetto (?????? I didn't even think people classified LES as hood anymore)). Not only is it in Manhattan, and not only would it cost above a grand to rent a studio there, but it's neighbors are areas like SOHO and Greenwich Village, some of the most expensive real estate areas in the country. I hardly think that qualifies as ghetto. I was in the South Bronx, and up on Dyckman St. in northern Manhattan too the other day and thought they were really decent areas, just a little more dirty than other places. If only people in the west side of Chicago could see what New Yorkers classify as ghetto now. They would have a field day sticking up people in the Bronx or Washington Heights, like it was Christmas time. If ur paying around a 1000 dollars for a studio apartment and still have money to purchase Gucci and Air Jordan's and a Billionares Boys Club hoodie, and consider spending $8.00 on McNuggets at McDonalds as saving money, ur not ghetto... sorry. I don't know where alot of people in the Bronx and Brooklyn and especially Manhattan get off as acting tough and ghetto in NYC, when most people who make a decent living elsewhere could never afford to live there. It doesn't make any sense to me, how do the "poor people" survive in NYC?

But getting back to the thread, if u move anywhere in NYC, with a couple of exceptions on a very few places, u will be fine. I wouldn't sweat, a majority of cities out there are way worse than NYC thanks to it's over-the-top gentrification.

On second thought, this is a good reminder that we don't have areas in NY that look so down and out as in other cities. I am reminded of this every time I take the Amtrak south and go through Baltimore. Street upon street of mostly boarded-up buildings. Some nice looking structures, but nothing has been taken care of. People are sometimes living in the only non-boarded-up building on one entire block.

Here's a photo of what I'm talking about. I don't know if Chicago has areas that look like this.

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