Just moved to the Bronx from Chicago (crime, live)

[TunaBoy]

Its almost impossible to compare hood-to-hood because of the different sizes, population, and available statistics. You also have to take into account what percentage of the city is ghetto. Thats why you rarely see a "big city" in the top crime per capita category.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by cyrusjul

This is dumb. Can you at least try to compare high crime neighborhoods in those cities with high crime neighorhoods in the Bronx, for every 100,000 people like is suppose to be.

I dont get it.

The Bronx has more people than any of those cities. If I compare those cities, to certain Bronx neighborhoods than the Bronx would actually come out looking worse.

What are you trying to say? I am confused.

[cyrusjul]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

I dont get it.

The Bronx has more people than any of those cities. If I compare those cities, to certain Bronx neighborhoods than the Bronx would actually come out looking worse.

What are you trying to say? I am confused.

What is not to understand. Compare a bad neighborhood in that city to a neighborhood in NYC, in this case a neighborhood in the Bronx. Then you are making fair comparisons. You can take the Bronx and make it into a city as you wish.

Anyway, here are some numbers for the boroughs so far...

New York City-8,331,469
November 2
2007-408--4.92 per 100k
2008-441--5.29 per 100k

Brooklyn-2,542,427
2007-178--7.03 per 100k
2008-173--6.80 per 100k

Queens-2,276,755
2007-60--2.65 per 100k
2008-81--3.56 per 100k

Manhattan-1,639,077
2007-57--3.49 per 100k
2008-58--3.54 per 100k

Bronx-1,381,641
2007-105--7.62 per 100k
2008-112--8.11 per 100k

Staten Island-491,569
2007-8---1.64 per 100k
2008-17--3.46 per 100k


http://home2.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downl...ics/cscity.pdf

The Bronx looks kind of safe if you compare it to some of those cities, I guess. But is just not right to do that. If you have the time to do more research, take your neighborhood numbers and then compare it to some of the worst neighboorhoods in Miami (for example) and see how safe your neighborhood is. I dont have the time to do that. I am sure your neighborhood (for every 100,000 people number) is much safer than living in 'ghettos' in those cities. Ok.

[SuperMario]

My immediate area , 2 blocks by 2 blocks had a murder rate of 16 per 100,000 last year.

And NYC is low on murders. But compare the assaults, robberies, and rapes with other cities and they come out neck and neck. Hunts Point was actually worse than Newarks worst neighborhood in everything but homicides.

But nice find.

[riverdaleny]

the bronx is changing, i can see it.

[K.O.N.Y]

at the end of the day, you cant compare a borough to a city come on now. No matter how much people live here

[Rusty_Shackleford]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

My immediate area , 2 blocks by 2 blocks had a murder rate of 16 per 100,000 last year.

And NYC is low on murders. But compare the assaults, robberies, and rapes with other cities and they come out neck and neck. Hunts Point was actually worse than Newarks worst neighborhood in everything but homicides.

But nice find.

The West Side of Chicago has neighborhoods with homicide rates over 30 per 100k a year. I really doubt there are any neighborhoods in NYC with crime rates higher than Garfield Park or Austin in Chicago. In the year 2000, there were four west side neighborhoods in Chicago with a murder rate over 50 per 100k. Find the worst neighborhood in 1992 in NYC, and you *might* find a rate that high. Areas like Harlem, Bed Stuy, and the South Bronx have robbery rates around 400-500 per 100k... yet even the most sought Chicago neighborhoods, like Lincoln Park, have robbery rates over 300 per 100k. The bad neighborhoods have rates around 1000 per 100k.

[TunaBoy]

In 1990, the bronx had about 55 murders per 100K. Break it down by neighborhood and its much higher. Same year nyc was #1 in robberies for big cities with manhattan leading the way with 1800 per 100K, brooklyn with 1600, bronx with 1500. Good thing though murders have dropped significantly in both chicago and new york as compared to the 80's and 90's. Hopefully crime continues to improve in both cities.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by Rusty_Shackleford

The West Side of Chicago has neighborhoods with homicide rates over 30 per 100k a year. I really doubt there are any neighborhoods in NYC with crime rates higher than Garfield Park or Austin in Chicago. In the year 2000, there were four west side neighborhoods in Chicago with a murder rate over 50 per 100k. Find the worst neighborhood in 1992 in NYC, and you *might* find a rate that high. Areas like Harlem, Bed Stuy, and the South Bronx have robbery rates around 400-500 per 100k... yet even the most sought Chicago neighborhoods, like Lincoln Park, have robbery rates over 300 per 100k. The bad neighborhoods have rates around 1000 per 100k.

"Might" find a rate that high? Im sorry, Chicago had nothing on the worst NYC neighborhoods back in the day.

For 1990 murder rates:

Hunts Point : 112 per 100,000

Central Harlem : 108 per 100,000

Morrisania : 94 homicides per 100,000

Mott Haven : 93 homicides per 100,000

Bushwick : 75 homicides per 100,000

Highbridge : 74 homicides per 100,000

Brownsville : 71 homicides per 100,000

Bed-Stuy : 70 homicides per 100,000

Morris Heights : 69 homicides per 100,000

East NY : 68 homicides per 100,000

West Harlem : 65 homicides per 100,000

East Tremont : 63 homicides per 100,000

Flatbush : 61 homicides per 100,000

East Harlem : 60 homicides per 100,000

Washington Heights : 55 homicides per 100,000

I didn't even do robbery rates but NYC had THE highest robbery rates of any big city back in the early 1990's. SO I wont even bother to post that.

Nowadays you may find murder rates in the 20's in the worst neighborhoods but dont try to undermine how bad NYC was back in the days. It was putrid.

With this list, I didn't even include lower Manhattan (Lower East Side) or Queens (Far Rockaway, Southside), but I think you get the point.

[Sha83]

Originally Posted by ChiMack

south and im a white dude

Well, first, what do you consider the South Bronx to be?