Brooklyn Advice (E. Flatbush?) (New York, Ridge: high school, college, live)

[Joe Bama!]

Originally Posted by Miles

Sorry for intervening in this discussion but I find it troubling that someone is stating that an individual should not be in a neighborhood in any town in any city in any state in these United States because they are of a certain racial background.

The US Constitution gives any American a right not a privelege to be in any public territory in the USA. Here we are talking of rights. Prudence, unfortunately, has to be exercised if statements such as the one above, represents the typical attitude of hoodlums in any area, however, and unfortunately so. Nevertheless, it is someone's right as a citizen to be in any area including Bensonhurst.

High Five Miles!

[Wild Style]

Originally Posted by italian23

Bro, I'm not a bigot and I don't appreciate that. Why, because I say a black area is bad? I probably know more blacks than you. I work with black guys and have black friends. Did I mention the funeral I went to. Maybe you're the bigot for thinking all black areas are crime ridden. Any ny'er will tell you that e. flatbush can't compare with gravesend,dyker heights.b'hurst,or marine pk. It's a bad area plain and simple. I will ask an older person about the yusef hawkins incident. I'm fairly sure the girl wasn't his girlfriend.

hmmm, lets check the list

Mention you have black friends *check*

Say you work with black people *check*

State that your not racist *check*

You forgot to throw in the "my best friend is black* for good measure though. that would have sealed it.

Here is the Yusef Hawkins story so you don't have to ask "some older person" around your way link

[italian23]

Originally Posted by Miles

Sorry for intervening in this discussion but I find it troubling that someone is stating that an individual should not be in a neighborhood in any town in any city in any state in these United States because they are of a certain racial background.

The US Constitution gives any American a right not a privelege to be in any public territory in the USA. Here we are talking of rights. Prudence, unfortunately, has to be exercised if statements such as the one above, represents the typical attitude of hoodlums in any area, however. Nevertheless, it is someone's right as a citizen to be in any area including Bensonhurst.

I see you guys just pull out what's convenient so you can twist everything around. I didn't say the guy didn't have a reason being there but it makes you wonder. And that was 15 yrs ago,b'hurst was different. I could see it now cause it's more open now. I have seen black guys on bath ave before. By the way, I don't live in b'hurst. I leave close but have cousins who live there and lots of friends from Xaverian. The girl was not his girlfriend, she was a crackhead type and she wasn't italian she was some type of spanish. I only mentioned the guys I work with to give you an example. If the cops see me in east ny,bed stuy or e flatbush they're going to wonder what I'm doing over there. It's not always about race. Go to baldwin, long island. There are blacks there I would love to call my neighbor.

[italian23]

Originally Posted by TunaBoy

hmm came across this today, flatbush 46th and church, its a crip nieghborhood

YouTube - MECH: 46 And Church

thank you. Maybe they are middle class crips. Lol.

[Joe Bama!]

Originally Posted by italian23

thank you. Maybe they are middle class crips. Lol.

You wanna talk about gangstas?
What about the Bensonhurst/Gravesend gangstas that blew up the car in front of my house?


BTW, anyway you twist it, more and more you come out like a racist.

[NooYowkur81]

Originally Posted by Joe Bama!

I grew up in Bensonhurst, 18th Avenue and 60th Street. I went to PS 48 on 18th Ave. My father still lives in Bensonhurst with my grandfather.
I probably didn't grow up here? You don't what you are talking about!

I also spent alot of my childhood in Sheapshead Bay and Brighton Beach. Now I'm in Flatbush.

The same no snitch rules go on in Bensonhurst, Gravesend and Bay Ridge for the same reasons. Drug dealing goes on just as much in those neighborhoods if not more. They got their own gangs too.

Here are some experiences I remember growing up in Bensonhurst:

I was robbed at gunpoint coming home from my Busboy job at L&B Spumoni Gardens in 1997.

My neighbors car was fired bombed because he was in a bad relationship with an organized crime family in 1990. It was blown up 10 ft. away from my basement apt. with three babies sleeping upstairs from me.

I've seen hasidic jews gettin beatin with bats by Italian kids just cuz they were Jewish in 1995.

An African American, Yusef Hawkins, was beaten cuz he was with an Italian girl around the block from my house when I lived on 20th Ave and 78th St in 1989.

In 1991 Al Sharpton was stabbed in broad day light around the block from my house.

The people of Bensonhurst, Gravesend, and Bay Ridge are violent and commit much more random acts than Flatbush does.

You don't get it, the media still portrays certain demographics as "worse than others" and you eat up every minute of the Prime time news.

Joe just to piggy-back on what you said, Bensonhurst for better or worst had a reputation as a "White-Trash" area for a lot of years, heck it still does. I hope I didn't offend anyone with that as it was not my intention. Just trying to provide some perspective. I always chuckle when people try to make it seem like this pristine "mayberry," type neighborhood.

[scatman]

Originally Posted by Joe Bama!

An African American, Yusef Hawkins, was beaten cuz he was with an Italian girl around the block from my house when I lived on 20th Ave and 78th St in 1989.

1. My understanding was that there was a party, and a crackhead wasn't invited because she was, well, a crackhead. She threatened to "get her black drug dealer friends" to crash the party. The partygoers were tipped about a group of black teens in the neighborhood. The partygoers, in fear and ignorance, thought that they were the crackhead's "black drug-dealing friends". (They were actually kids from East New York looking for a used car based on an ad.) Partygoers go after the black teens with bats; one of the members of the party group has a gun and shoots, hitting Hawkins in the back and killing him.

2. Either we got a troll alert or the new Hustla on board!

[Joe Bama!]

Originally Posted by scatman

1. My understanding was that there was a party, and a crackhead wasn't invited because she was, well, a crackhead. She threatened to "get her black drug dealer friends" to crash the party. The partygoers were tipped about a group of black teens in the neighborhood. The partygoers, in fear and ignorance, thought that they were the crackhead's "black drug-dealing friends". (They were actually kids from East New York looking for a used car based on an ad.) Partygoers go after the black teens with bats; one of the members of the party group has a gun and shoots, hitting Hawkins in the back and killing him.

2. Either we got a troll alert or the new Hustla on board!

Yeah, I got it confused with another incident that happend in Bensonhurst. A black man was beaten almost to death cuz he was dating an Italian girl and walking her home.
Different incident, same violent neighborhood.
I feel safer in Flatbush. Its more condusive to togetherness.

[italian23]

Originally Posted by NooYowkur81

Joe just to piggy-back on what you said, Bensonhurst for better or worst had a reputation as a "White-Trash" area for a lot of years, heck it still does. I hope I didn't offend anyone with that as it was not my intention. Just trying to provide some perspective. I always chuckle when people try to make it seem like this pristine "mayberry," type neighborhood.

Have you ever been to b'hurst? I thought so, been in ny for 2 months right? The schools in b'hurstand and similar areas are great. I don't live in b'hurst but I have family there and went to hs there. I guess all black neighborhoods are trash from your comments. I spoke to some older guys and was told that the Hawkins guy was trying to steal cars and there had been a rash of robberies. Take a trip to b'hurst. You won't see graffiti or guys loitiering in front of stores and in hallways. They people respect eachother, even the asians. They are very quiet and work hard. They teach their kids to behave. I like everyone. Bad people are bad people no matter what color.

[italian23]

Originally Posted by Joe Bama!

Yeah, I got it confused with another incident that happend in Bensonhurst. A black man was beaten almost to death cuz he was dating an Italian girl and walking her home.
Different incident, same violent neighborhood.
I feel safer in Flatbush. Its more condusive to togetherness.

Safer? That's strange coming from a white guy? Are you mixed or asian? In an interacial relation? That car being blown up sounds a little unbelieveable. You're not doing this to irritate your parents or nothing are you?