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Old 12-07-2008, 12:34 AM
 
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Now that's funny. Everybody pays the government a lot of money, either directly or indirectly, in ways that give massive subsidies for automobile usage. But if a tiny amount gets directed to mass transit instead, it suddenly becomes "unfair".
Again if you see their budget you will see that all other departments have a surplus so they are working. So why tax more the drivers than don't use the subway. If already the surplus is being directed towards the subway way continue?? Why not fix the problem.
The MTA have to many workers and to many fee time in their hand, again not all but since the special program on the news who can deny it.
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Old 12-07-2008, 05:19 AM
 
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Again if you see their budget you will see that all other departments have a surplus so they are working. So why tax more the drivers than don't use the subway. If already the surplus is being directed towards the subway way continue?? Why not fix the problem.
The MTA have to many workers and to many fee time in their hand, again not all but since the special program on the news who can deny it.
ALL other departments have a surplus???? That is completely untrue. If that were the case, teachers wouldn't have to buy their own class supplies. There would be more building inspectors. There would be more health inspectors. Your statement is not supported by any facts.
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Old 12-07-2008, 08:25 AM
 
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ALL other departments have a surplus???? That is completely untrue. If that were the case, teachers wouldn't have to buy their own class supplies. There would be more building inspectors. There would be more health inspectors. Your statement is not supported by any facts.
I just posted the numbers from the 2007 report.
Oh,, no no no,, not other departments from other agencies.
I mean other departments (offices) from withing the MTA.
The Roads, Bridges and Tunnels offices have a surplus.
Meaning that all the tolls pays for their workers and maintanence of each department (office). The only department (office) in the MTA that dont have a surplus is the Subways division.
So what they want to do is charge more the drivers to pay for the subway takers. So the drivers not only paying for their roads, tunnels and bridges, but also going to be paying for the subway(And they are already paying for it actually). But are going to be paying even more.
Why not raise and tax the subway users?
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Old 12-07-2008, 08:32 AM
 
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Here I am going to post it again,
From MTA webpage, budger of 2007...

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Search MTA Budget.
You will see on 2007 budget,(2008 not yet released).
numbers in millions

Subway deficit: 1,411 (subway is losing money)
Transit(roads) surplus of: 452 (making money)
Bridge and Tunnels surplus: 80 (making money)
Aso you can see, tolls have a surplus of 452 + 80= 532 Millions,
In other words 532,000,000 dollars.
So is safe to say, that Transit and Bridges and Tunnels are working great. They make profit after all the expenses.
But look at the subway deficit?????
it was a 1.4 BILLION DOLLAR deficit.
and the little 532 Million surplus doesnt cover it.
So lets charge more the drives, that pay the enough fee for their roads, to pay for the subway fee...


RAISE THE SUBWAY FEE....
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:08 AM
 
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Driving in NYC is a luxury. It's not unreasonable to increase the fees to be able to drive around the city.

Plus, driving is ecologically unsound. Anything that increases the use of envrionmentally sound means of transport is reasonable.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:20 AM
 
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Plus, driving is ecologically unsound. Anything that increases the use of envrionmentally sound means of transport is reasonable.
Good point. It is not at all uncommon for governments - federal, state, local - all across the country to use various forms of levy or tax structure to forward social policy. Examples are increasing taxes on cigarettes and inversely giving credits for things like alternative forms of energy usage.

This is without regard to budget surpluses, etc. We collectively through our legislators and elected officials determine legal means to do what's best for the common good. Here in NYC, especially in Manhattan, driving a car into the city is a major disturbance environmentally, to the flow of traffic, and strains the city's overall budget by frequent repairs to bridges, expressways, streets, etc.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:35 AM
 
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Driving in NYC is a luxury. It's not unreasonable to increase the fees to be able to drive around the city.

Plus, driving is ecologically unsound. Anything that increases the use of envrionmentally sound means of transport is reasonable.
So poor people living in SI, THAT NEED CARS, have to pay for your unluxury subway. And what about poor people in NJ? are they luxury to?
And if all cars are hydrogen powered, would you increase the subway fee and decrease the tolls?? Since hydrogen is 100% clean and the subway is not.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:38 AM
 
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Owning a car is a luxury. It really is. Unless you're in the middle of nowhere, it's a LUXURY.

There is mass transit on Staten Island, as well as in NJ. Yes, it takes more time and planning to use it, but it's available.

Owning a car is a luxury.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:38 AM
 
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Good point. It is not at all uncommon for governments - federal, state, local - all across the country to use various forms of levy or tax structure to forward social policy. Examples are increasing taxes on cigarettes and inversely giving credits for things like alternative forms of energy usage.

This is without regard to budget surpluses, etc. We collectively through our legislators and elected officials determine legal means to do what's best for the common good. Here in NYC, especially in Manhattan, driving a car into the city is a major disturbance environmentally, to the flow of traffic, and strains the city's overall budget by frequent repairs to bridges, expressways, streets, etc.
But smoking and drinking are actually a luxury. Driving is not.
when you start taxing necessities, is a different thing.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:38 AM
 
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Driving is not a necessity, either.
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