Bronx gentrification...Will it happen? (Jay, Morris: subsidized, to live in, gangs)

[hilltopjay]

Originally Posted by JayBrown80

1) Take advantage of free government education
2) Don't get knocked up/knock someone up
3) Don't do drugs
4) Don't commit crimes

Wow....such an insurmountable set of goals....

We all live in the ghetto dude, because these are choices that EVERYONE of us make every day. And whether you live in the bronx or in the hamptons, if you don't follow these rules, your life sucks. It's called personal responsibility. Stop blaming your situation on external factors. It's.....all....you!

BRAVO...Well said!

[DoomDan515]

Originally Posted by hilltopjay

parents for not properly parenting.

This is definitely true.

I also blame it on the popularity of mainstream Rap/Hip Hop, especially today.

[JayBrown80]

Originally Posted by DoomDan515

When you're a kid growing up in a ghetto, your only choices are usually to become friends with "ghetto" kids [which usually means "become one of them"], of spend most of your childhood in social isolation.

I grew up in a not so good area, and even though I never went down that path, I never had a lot of good friends or a great childhood as a result.

How would ghetto thugs have made "good friends" regardless of whether you became one of them or not?

[DoomDan515]

Originally Posted by JayBrown80

How would ghetto thugs have made "good friends" regardless of whether you became one of them or not?

They wouldn't lol. That was my point. I avoided them, even though it wasn't easy to do.

[hilltopjay]

Originally Posted by DoomDan515

This is definitely true.

I also blame it on the popularity of mainstream Rap/Hip Hop, especially today.

Yep. Hip hop music is a huge culprit in ghetto culture. It does a disservice to listeners and weak minded people that try to emulate that lifestyle.

[Dood912]

Originally Posted by hilltopjay

Yep. Hip hop music is a huge culprit in ghetto culture. It does a disservice to listeners and weak minded people that try to emulate that lifestyle.

This is true, but it's really the bastardized, corporate hip hop that's to blame for this. Mindless, grating boom-boom GET-MONEY anthems that have as much to do with hip hop as what I made in the toilet today. Actually I think my poo is far more relevant.

[nykiddo718718]

Originally Posted by JayBrown80

1) Take advantage of free government education
2) Don't get knocked up/knock someone up
3) Don't do drugs
4) Don't commit crimes

Wow....such an insurmountable set of goals....

We all live in the ghetto dude, because these are choices that EVERYONE of us make every day. And whether you live in the bronx or in the hamptons, if you don't follow these rules, your life sucks. It's called personal responsibility. Stop blaming your situation on external factors. It's.....all....you!

Your trying to oversimplify a very complex issue. If it were that easy don't you think the problem would slowly deminish?

Many kids who grow up in the inner city do not even understand what you wrote. You don't spawn from the womb playing perfect the game we call life. Many children have zero guidance, little life experience and make big mistakes early on. I'm not going to bicker back and forth with you on this issue but think about what you are saying. There is a lot to it.

As for Bronx gentrification, it's happening before our eyes. It will take some time before it even achieves the level of Harlem. Fact is the city is desirable again, poverty is getting shipped to the exburbs.

[JayBrown80]

Originally Posted by nykiddo718718

Your trying to oversimplify a very complex issue..

It's really not complex at all.

Originally Posted by nykiddo718718

If it were that easy don't you think the problem would slowly deminish?.

Nope! I dont think that at all. There are numerous problems in America that are quite easy to solve but dont' get solved because people are stupid. Firstly, the problem of poverty and the plight of the poor HAS gotten better. Secondly, look at gay marriage and cervical cancer. Two problems that are quite easily solved but have to be debated endlessly because stupid people want a say.

Originally Posted by nykiddo718718

Many kids who grow up in the inner city do not even understand what you wrote. You don't spawn from the womb playing perfect the game we call life. Many children have zero guidance, little life experience and make big mistakes early on. I'm not going to bicker back and forth with you on this issue but think about what you are saying. There is a lot to it.

As for Bronx gentrification, it's happening before our eyes. It will take some time before it even achieves the level of Harlem. Fact is the city is desirable again, poverty is getting shipped to the exburbs.

I don't ask kids to be perfect out of the womb. There is a reason why your 2nd grade report card doesn't come up on a job interview. There is a reason you can't charge an 8 year old as an adult. Society has a built in "screw up" period for human beings...childhood. The actions you take in childhood do not set you on the path of ghetto hood.

Now, when you start to get into high school, and you are aware of the world around you, and capable of making decisions for yourself, then your decisions start having weight.

I just hear a lot of excuses to tell me why grown men and women are not responsible for their lives and actions. Once you hit 16, you don't get to blame mommy and daddy anymore. You don't get to blame society. You have to be responsible for your OWN actions.

Stop excusing ghetto behavior like they have no choice. They CHOOSE to be thugs....and because of that they don't get to have first choice in where they live. Shrug.

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by JayBrown80

How can you disagree when you basically repeated what I said word for word and point for point....

do you read the other posts before you disagree with people?

sorry, wrote that on my phone, must of auto corrected to disagree.

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by DoomDan515

This is definitely true.

I also blame it on the popularity of mainstream Rap/Hip Hop, especially today.

Yeah, blame music....that has nothing to do with it, currently there is a tv being advertised with a small child saying "hi tv" we are basically teaching kids to talk to and depend on technology more than their parents, that has nothing to do with just people living in the ghetto when it comes to bad parenting.