Bronx gentrification...Will it happen? (Ira: condos, houses, tenants)

[bmwguydc]

Originally Posted by SobroGuy

Yes..but those who live in Riverdale live there for a very different reason..they like the suburban atmosphere, the yards/garages, far enough from the city but close enough to have a reasonable commute, a quiet location, and enjoy the elitist "cache" of the neighborhood....which is why I said Yankee Stadium area will be the premiere location in the Bronx for most URBAN dwellers (and not just anyone). Those in Riverdale, or similar suburban elite locations, will not be moving to the Yankee Stadium area...probably ever. Those from the CITY, and those looking for a location with lots of amenities within walking distance to major public public transportation,a very short easy commute to Manhattan, and an urban environment, will make the Yankee Stadium area the premiere location for the Urban dweller...and the housing stock, location, and redevelopment is targeting this demographic exactly.

Parts of Riverdale may have a suburban atmosphere, but the area is part of the city, as are parts of Queens that have a similar feel. It is NOT a suburb, contrary to popular misconception, and there are a large number of tall apartment structures in the area. Suburban is Larchmont, Bronxville, Scarsdale, Bedford, etc., whereas Riverdale is every bit a neighborhood of New York City and has some high density cores on Johnson, Spuyten Duyvil and parts of Northeastern Riverdale by Van Cortlandt Park.

[SobroGuy]

Yes I understand that technically Riverdale is a part of NYC (the Bronx), but in practice, people do not move to riverdale because they love the nightlife, or the urban environment, they move there because it is quiet, leafy, feels suburban but is still reasonably close/accessible to the city, luxury-type living options and "elite" cache. Whereas people who are and will be moving to the Yankee Stadium area are moving there for the the easy and short commute to NYC, the historic housing stock of aparts/co-ops/condos and brownstones, the vibe, the upcoming amenities, and the urban style of living. I stand by my statement...Yankee Stadium area will be the premiere location for most every URBAN dwellers, while Riverdale will maintain its premiere location for the wealthy and as a city alternative to the suburbs.

[scatman]

If anything, the economy will slow down the gentry in the Boogie Down, as with anywhere else!

[NooYowkur81]

I wouldn't say Riverdale is urban either. I don't know what you wanna call it. It's definitely not ultra-urban. Maybe urban lite or maybe an Urban Suburb, lol

[bmwguydc]

Originally Posted by NooYowkur81

It's definitely not ultra-urban. Maybe urban lite or maybe an Urban Suburb, lol

LOL...see, that's my point. It's not a suburb by definition, since it's part of the city. An urban suburb is Yonkers, Mount Vernon, those sorts of places. It's not densely urban, in places, since the Broadway corridor and parts of the neighborhood do have good numbers of multi-story buildings in close proximity, which would qualify as an urban core. It's a mixed density urban neighborhood, since Fieldston and he estate area west of the parkway are two prime xamples of low density Riverdale.

[bluedog2]

Originally Posted by scatman

If anything, the economy will slow down the gentry in the Boogie Down, as with anywhere else!

You could be right but it is possible that the economic slowdown could actually benefit The Bronx in a couple of weird ways.A couple of Bronx real estate sales people have told me that as the economy has slowed more and more people from Manhattan and Brooklyn are sniffing around and buying condos, coops and houses in The Bronx because the slowdown is making people a lot more careful about how much they are willing to spend on a roof over their head.It used to be accepted that you don't spend more than 30% of your income( preferably 25% or less) on housing. Those numbers went out the window during the reckless last last 10 years and lots of people were up to 50 % and more. Now that they are finally getting realistic a lot of middle income folks are realizing that The Bronx is the only place left in New York City that they can afford.I don't think it should be labeled as gentrification either because these people are not yuppies or hipsters.They are just rock solid middle class people-teachers,office workers,nurses,transit workers,etc.It will be interesting to see how this all comes out but it might not be as bad for The Bronx as some think.

[Mr.Triny33]

Originally Posted by bluedog2

You could be right but it is possible that the economic slowdown could actually benefit The Bronx in a couple of weird ways.A couple of Bronx real estate sales people have told me that as the economy has slowed more and more people from Manhattan and Brooklyn are sniffing around and buying condos, coops and houses in The Bronx because the slowdown is making people a lot more careful about how much they are willing to spend on a roof over their head.It used to be accepted that you don't spend more than 30% of your income( preferably 25% or less) on housing. Those numbers went out the window during the reckless last last 10 years and lots of people were up to 50 % and more. Now that they are finally getting realistic a lot of middle income folks are realizing that The Bronx is the only place left in New York City that they can afford.I don't think it should be labeled as gentrification either because these people are not yuppies or hipsters.They are just rock solid middle class people-teachers,office workers,nurses,transit workers,etc.It will be interesting to see how this all comes out but it might not be as bad for The Bronx as some think.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. I know alot of people who are just afraid to invest their money at this time, but your right, I'm in contract for a Condo in Melrose, and have talked to a couple of people from Brooklyn and Manhattan who are buying into my building and others in the Bronx.

[FinnishAmerican]

Originally Posted by A_Better_Bronx_2morrow

Well in my opinion, ghetto ass people in the Bronx need to go. Black , white, spanish, yellow, pink, red.. etc..it doesn't matter. If you are ghetto, then you are ghetto and regardless what race you are, you need to get dealt with. Because they are messing it up for the nice, hard working people who just want a nice, peaceful place to live without any rowdiness.

This "hustler" or "gangsta" mentality is what's infesting these neighborhoods and prevents any positive growth in the community.

Just because someone is poor doesn't mean they have to act like animals or uncivilized people and do dirty in the streets. Public education is FREE! You can go to public school your whole life and become the next president of the U.S. Thats the beauty of America.

However, I'm a firm believer in TOUGH LOVE. I have no pitty for ignorant dumbasses who choose to do dirty in the streets and contribute to the downfall of a community and then use the excuse that they are poor or grew up poor to justify their ignorant behavior.

Sad to say that the majority of these ghetto people are indeed poor. However, the city steps in and pays about 70% of their rent to help them out. Plus food stamps and other programs. Do you think the financial assistance the city gives them changes their lifestyle and all of a sudden they are productive individuals in sociality? Hell NO!

The selling of drugs continues, the hanging out continues, the downfall of a community continues. NO END IN SIGHT....THEREFORE, GENTRIFICATION IS A MUST TO SPARK CHANGE IN A COMMUNITY.

The way I look at it is this....GET YOUR Moderator cut: stuff TOGETHER OR GET THE Moderator cut: heck OUT..ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Sounds harsh but you have to put your foot down to let them know you mean business.

Good post! I agree.

But you gotta remember that nowadays its cool to be a gangmember.


Heck, im so depressed at the moment, if I were black /hispanic id join up....

Then I could just do some COOL poses, get money, smoke crack and die.

[Bluesmama]

Originally Posted by A_Better_Bronx_2morrow

Well in my opinion, ghetto ass people in the Bronx need to go. Black , white, spanish, yellow, pink, red.. etc..it doesn't matter. If you are ghetto, then you are ghetto and regardless what race you are, you need to get dealt with. Because they are messing it up for the nice, hard working people who just want a nice, peaceful place to live without any rowdiness.

This "hustler" or "gangsta" mentality is what's infesting these neighborhoods and prevents any positive growth in the community.

Just because someone is poor doesn't mean they have to act like animals or uncivilized people and do dirty in the streets. Public education is FREE! You can go to public school your whole life and become the next president of the U.S. Thats the beauty of America.

However, I'm a firm believer in TOUGH LOVE. I have no pitty for ignorant dumbasses who choose to do dirty in the streets and contribute to the downfall of a community and then use the excuse that they are poor or grew up poor to justify their ignorant behavior.

Sad to say that the majority of these ghetto people are indeed poor. However, the city steps in and pays about 70% of their rent to help them out. Plus food stamps and other programs. Do you think the financial assistance the city gives them changes their lifestyle and all of a sudden they are productive individuals in sociality? Hell NO!

The selling of drugs continues, the hanging out continues, the downfall of a community continues. NO END IN SIGHT....THEREFORE, GENTRIFICATION IS A MUST TO SPARK CHANGE IN A COMMUNITY.

The way I look at it is this....GET YOUR Moderator cut: stuff TOGETHER OR GET THE Moderator cut: heck OUT..ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Sounds harsh but you have to put your foot down to let them know you mean business.

Sad reality is that the poor who live in these neighborhoods do not take care of their dwellings, their buildings, or their streets. They don't take care of themselves or their loved ones (crime). The gangs and thugs selfishly destruct their neighborhoods and beat down the incentive of those who want to live in peace and live productive, if simple, lives.

Eventually someone comes along and takes a risk for change. Sometimes it's a developer, sometimes it starts with just one person or household who doesn't "fit in", who will spruce up a storefront, which encourages more "outsiders" to move in slowly and gentrify the place. The gay community has revived many Hell Hole neighborhoods (although I don't know about New York; I'm familiar with what they've done to areas in San Francisco, Portland, and New Orleans).

[A_Better_Bronx_2morrow]

Originally Posted by Bluesbabe

Sad reality is that the poor who live in these neighborhoods do not take care of their dwellings, their buildings, or their streets. They don't take care of themselves or their loved ones (crime). The gangs and thugs selfishly destruct their neighborhoods and beat down the incentive of those who want to live in peace and live productive, if simple, lives.

Eventually someone comes along and takes a risk for change. Sometimes it's a developer, sometimes it starts with just one person or household who doesn't "fit in", who will spruce up a storefront, which encourages more "outsiders" to move in slowly and gentrify the place. The gay community has revived many Hell Hole neighborhoods (although I don't know about New York; I'm familiar with what they've done to areas in San Francisco, Portland, and New Orleans).

I really do hope some developers take a risk and start to invest in the Bronx real heavy and hopefully that will spark other investors to do so. Since real estate in the Bronx is the CHEAPEST out of the 5 boroughs, maybe investors will soon realize that the Bronx is the NEW FRONTIER in investing in real estate where you are guaranteed to have your property appreciate for certain. As opposed to Manhattan or the other boroughs where property appreciation has pretty much MAXED OUT.

Being a Landlord myself, its fustrating when you bust your behind to keep your building in TIP TOP shape and then have ignorant, trashy people sabotage all the hard work you did. That needs to change and thats why I think gentrification is neccessary in the Bronx so that UNDESIRABLE people get displaced elsewhere.

It's basically the "NOT IN MY BACK YARD" MENTALITY I SUPPORT.