Security Cameras in NY Streets to Deter Crime... (Hope: lease, house)

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by Miles

All the bold types which indicate your shouting uncontrollably do not dispute the fact that our government needs to spend money tp PREVENT catastrophes which would make 9/11 miniscule.

I suppose that you are expecting your much revered Obama to spend less on terrorism.

Wow, I didn't know that you could hear through the computer but no that's not what I was doing.

And these comments you make just show that I'm right and you have nonthing to say that can LOGICALLY AND FACTUALLY debunk my statements. And yes we should spend considerably less on terroism and invest that in the people (more so our children's education) and jobs.

[A_Better_Bronx_2morrow]

I honestly don't get what all the fuzz is about. Your privacy is NOT being invaded if there are cameras in the street. What don't you understand? The cameras will be in a fixed area recording corners and neighborhoods, not spying on a lady undressing through her window.

If a crime were to occur, all Police have to do is review the video footage to help piece together what happened, the parties involved, the specific time it occured, collect evidence and identify witnesses. Its that simpe. Its no different than hiring a million cops to patrol the streets so that you can have a cop present in every corner and neighborhood in the city.

Regardless of what any of you anti-camera people say, cameras DO deter crime, DO make prosecuting criminals easier as the charges will stick, and DO provide a sense of security to residents knowing that Police are watching so don't think about doing anything stupid. And if you are stupid enough to do something, your a** is getting caught. So don't bother.

Has anyone ever watched "First 48" on the A&E channel where homicide detectives need to solve murders within a 2 day period? I've watched just about every episode and there has been may episodes where detectives had no leads or evidence to go on until they discovered that there were cameras either in the store or near by the crime scene that may of caught the crime and the person invloved.

This is REAL life detective work being performed and I have never seen an episode where a murder that was caught on video and the perp not being identified or captured. All thanks to the cameras in the area. Adding cameras in the street is no difference but adding more eyes to the eyes that all ready exist.

[cotb16]

If this is the case, I would like to see some cameras put up in blocks near high schools such as Jane Addams, Taft, and Kennedy where rowdy kids hang out way after school.

[A_Better_Bronx_2morrow]

Originally Posted by cotb16

If this is the case, I would like to see some cameras put up in blocks near high schools such as Jane Addams, Taft, and Kennedy where rowdy kids hang out way after school.

I totally agree!

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by A_Better_Bronx_2morrow

I honestly don't get what all the fuzz is about. Your privacy is NOT being invaded if there are cameras in the street. What don't you understand? The cameras will be in a fixed area recording corners and neighborhoods, not spying on a lady undressing through her window.

If a crime were to occur, all Police have to do is review the video footage to help piece together what happened, the parties involved, the specific time it occured, collect evidence and identify witnesses. Its that simpe. Its no different than hiring a million cops to patrol the streets so that you can have a cop present in every corner and neighborhood in the city.

Regardless of what any of you anti-camera people say, cameras DO deter crime, DO make prosecuting criminals easier as the charges will stick, and DO provide a sense of security to residents knowing that Police are watching so don't think about doing anything stupid. And if you are stupid enough to do something, your a** is getting caught. So don't bother.

Has anyone ever watched "First 48" on the A&E channel where homicide detectives need to solve murders within a 2 day period? I've watched just about every episode and there has been may episodes where detectives had no leads or evidence to go on until they discovered that there were cameras either in the store or near by the crime scene that may of caught the crime and the person invloved.

This is REAL life detective work being performed and I have never seen an episode where a murder that was caught on video and the perp not being identified or captured. All thanks to the cameras in the area. Adding cameras in the street is no difference but adding more eyes to the eyes that all ready exist.

Unlike alot of people here, I acutually do feel that deep down you truly believe in what you are saying is right (which is a good thing). However, as history has shown us time and time again you CANNOT give people too much power. (How would we be giving away power? Read my previous statements for the answer).

For the record, I respect your position.

[A_Better_Bronx_2morrow]

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

Unlike alot of people here, I acutually do feel that deep down you truly believe in what you are saying is right (which is a good thing). However, as history has shown us time and time again you CANNOT give people too much power. (How would we be giving away power? Read my previous statements for the answer).

For the record, I respect your position.

Glad you respect my position Justfarr but know that not just in cameras but in any other situation, someone on the inside especially in high level positions always abuse to a certain extent their power for selfish reasons. Thats just how the world is. That will never be stopped...ever.

The police dept. issues out parking permits to officers to display on the windsheild when they are on duty. But the same officers ABUSE it and use it for personal use, park in handicapp zones, in front of fire hydrants, double park, etc.

But to me, thats minor and doesn't justify the greater good cameras can provide to a neighborhood infested with crime.

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by A_Better_Bronx_2morrow

Glad you respect my position Justfarr but know that not just in cameras but in any other situation, someone on the inside especially in high level positions always abuse to a certain extent their power for selfish reasons. Thats just how the world is. That will never be stopped...ever.

The police dept. issues out parking permits to officers to display on the windsheild when they are on duty. But the same officers ABUSE it and use it for personal use, park in handicapp zones, in front of fire hydrants, double park, etc.

But to me, thats minor and doesn't justify the greater good cameras can provide to a neighborhood infested with crime.

I hate to say it but your right. They probably will never be stopped but, I feel like we shouldn't further empower either.

One thing that my criminology professor brought to my attention in class (which I found VERY interesting) is studies show that cameras DO NOT reduce crime (Yea, I was surprised also. I always assumed they did). I will say that they do come in handy AFTER the fact. Basically, it is one of those common myths that people except as truth (ie: Sugar makes you hyper or shaving your beard makes your hair grow thicker). I believe that it makes people FEEL safer (subconsciously) knowing there are cameras around. However, there is no direct correlation between video cameras and low crime as they do not deter hardened criminals.

I don't mind them in stores, busy intersections, schools, government buildings etc but once they start putting them all over neighborhoods (for reasons I stated earlier) I get concerned. For the record, Flatbush Ave has them all over now.

[Moderate Guy]

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

However, there is no direct correlation between video cameras and low crime as they do not deter hardened criminals.

i'll settle for deterring any kind of criminal - even the non-hardened.

[Moderate Guy]

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

One thing that my criminology professor brought to my attention in class (which I found VERY interesting) is studies show that cameras b][DO NOT[/b] reduce crime .

As a teacher myself, might I advise you to nod affirmatively when the prof asks you to agree, get an A on the exam, then go out into the real world and ask the real people out there - like cops, victims, pedestrians what the reality is?

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by Miles

As a teacher myself, might I advise you to nod affirmatively when the prof asks you to agree, get an A on the exam, then go out into the real world and ask the real people out there - like cops, victims, pedestrians what the reality is?

Oh I'm pretty sure you know me already in the sense that I challenge EVERYTHING I hear (creative thought and analysis I'm a advocate for).

The general consensus I get from people is they feel safer knowing cameras are around (I admitted already). However, I do not know how police officers feel about it.