Where to go after NYC...? (apartment, live, move to)

[bmwguydc]

Originally Posted by lincolnparker

very true. typically, lincoln park and gold coast are the two neighborhoods (they are next to each other by lake michigan) in chicago where ppl tend to be fashion sensitive. I did not pay too much attention to it until a friend of mine came to visit from uptown. He's dressed in a gap top and got looks from people on the street. I, being the typical Saks and Neiman shopper, never really had that experience.

First of all, six figure income is not like before. Its not a big deal making six figures. The average income per capita in Lincoln Park and Gold Coast is $140,000. And the neighborhood is full of mansions and swank condos. And yes. a person in chicago with a six figure income has slightly more purchasing power when it comes to real estate than NYC.

Lincoln Park is not that wealthy. It is not a per capita income of $140k. A median in the mid-$80s is more like it. It's affluent, but it's no Kenilworth.

And, as for your friend in the Gap shirt, they probably thought he was a student at DePaul. It's not as if Lincoln Park is akin to Paris or Milan where people really pay attention to fashion.

[Moderate Guy]

Originally Posted by bmwguydc

Lincoln Park is not that wealthy. It is not a per capita income of $140k. A median in the mid-$80s is more like it. It's affluent, but it's no Kenilworth.

And, as for your friend in the Gap shirt, they probably thought he was a student at DePaul. It's not as if Lincoln Park is akin to Paris or Milan where people really pay attention to fashion.

It's reassuring to know that I won't be looked down on for wearing my Gap attire there when I visit my friend. Otherwise to refurbish my NYC wardrobe will involve costs in excess of the cost of transportation to the windy city thus putting a damper of my travel plans.

[lincolnparker]

I am not sure how familiar you are with Lincoln Park, but the neighborhood has a few sub neighborhoods, which include east lincoln park, depaul, wrightwoods, clybourn corridor. East Lincoln Park (from north to diversey, from lake michigan to halsted) is right on the park and is the quentiessential lincoln park. Zip code 60614 encompasses the majority of Lincoln Park.


That said, according to the city data zips profile.

Averages for the 2004 tax year for zip code 60614, filed in 2005:
Average Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) in 2004: $133,271 (Individual Income Tax Returns)
Here: $133,271State: $54,625

In addition, Lincoln Park and Gold Coast have over 95% of all the upscale shopping and eatery establishments in the city of Chicago, including the entire North Michigan Ave shipping (The Magnificent Mile), Barneys, Neiman, Saks, Bloomies, Chanel, Tiffany, Louis Vuitton, Hermes, Alinea (rated the number 1 restaurant in the US) etc etc. It is reasonable to think that they have chosen the location to cater especially to the needs of residents of these two neighborhoods, and the city in general. As such, it is only logical to believe that residents here are fashion conscious. In fact according to the brochures visitors get in chicago, Lincoln Park is called "home of the wealthy and fashion conscious"

Originally Posted by bmwguydc

Lincoln Park is not that wealthy. It is not a per capita income of $140k. A median in the mid-$80s is more like it. It's affluent, but it's no Kenilworth.

And, as for your friend in the Gap shirt, they probably thought he was a student at DePaul. It's not as if Lincoln Park is akin to Paris or Milan where people really pay attention to fashion.

[clevedark]

Originally Posted by lincolnparker

Its not about what you want, its about what your kids want. Is there any reason why you think your kids are better off in the burbs?

Wow, that's the first time I've ever heard anyone suggest that a parent should choose where to live based on what their child wanted! What happens when a family has two kids and one wants to live at Disneyworld and the other one just has to live in Kenya because he wants to be on safari, like, every day? I suppose the best parents would do whatever it takes not to make Max and Sophia grumpy.

[lincolnparker]

Actually I have two cousins. one lives in south africa with his father because he loves safaris and one lives in san diego with his mother because he likes surfing. They are perfectly happy with the arrangement.

Originally Posted by clevedark

Wow, that's the first time I've ever heard anyone suggest that a parent should choose where to live based on what their child wanted! What happens when a family has two kids and one wants to live at Disneyworld and the other one just has to live in Kenya because he wants to be on safari, like, every day? I suppose the best parents would do whatever it takes not to make Max and Sophia grumpy.

[bmwguydc]

Originally Posted by lincolnparker

I am not sure how familiar you are with Lincoln Park, but the neighborhood has a few sub neighborhoods, which include east lincoln park, depaul, wrightwoods, clybourn corridor. East Lincoln Park (from north to diversey, from lake michigan to halsted) is right on the park and is the quentiessential lincoln park. Zip code 60614 encompasses the majority of Lincoln Park.


That said, according to the city data zips profile.

Averages for the 2004 tax year for zip code 60614, filed in 2005:
Average Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) in 2004: $133,271 (Individual Income Tax Returns)
Here: $133,271State: $54,625

In addition, Lincoln Park and Gold Coast have over 95% of all the upscale shopping and eatery establishments in the city of Chicago, including the entire North Michigan Ave shipping (The Magnificent Mile), Barneys, Neiman, Saks, Bloomies, Chanel, Tiffany, Louis Vuitton, Hermes, Alinea (rated the number 1 restaurant in the US) etc etc. It is reasonable to think that they have chosen the location to cater especially to the needs of residents of these two neighborhoods, and the city in general. As such, it is only logical to believe that residents here are fashion conscious. In fact according to the brochures visitors get in chicago, Lincoln Park is called "home of the wealthy and fashion conscious"

I am familiar with the area, and yes, there are many who make a good income. Kenilworth has a HHI median of $200k and a per capita is a little over $100k. A per capita figure of $140k which you quoted previously would make Lincoln Park wealthier, as a whole, than Kenilworth, which is not the case. Keniloworth is smaller, and much wealthier, overall, whereas Lincoln Park is more diverse, ranging from the working affluent to the genuinely wealthy.

The Miracle Mile is a destination shopping district, not unlike NYC's own Fifth and Madison Avenues, or SoHo, or Palm Beach's Worth Avenue, or Rodeo Drive. They pull from the areas in which they are located to be sure, but the presence is not the same as a neighborhood shop, since many times botiques that do not locate in suburban centers are clustered around such areas for the region in which they are located.

[lincolnparker]

You are familiar with the area? LMAO! I have not heard of a "Miracle Mile," nor has anyone familiar with Chicago. We chicagoans only know the Magnificent Mile. Maybe you dumped a mile of miracle from DC to Chicago. Unfotunately its probably disappeared in Lake Michigan, never seen by any of us here in Chicago. ROFL!!!

and yeah, what about Keniloworth? The OP of this thread was talking about moving to Chicago, not to the suburbs of Chicago, hello??? There are numerous wealthy suburbs in the area-hinsdale, lake forest, lake bluff, oak brook, barrington etc. But does that serve the purpose of this thread? it would, if the OP said specifically that she or he wanted to move to a suburb, but the original thread specified an urban setting.

As far as location of the boutique shopping establishments go, many of them have locations in the suburbs. Case in point, Neiman Marcus has a location on the Mag Mile; it has locations within the suburbs as well-Oakbrook, as well as Northbrook, which are directly west and north of Chicago respectively. Maybe you could actually visit chicago to make any statement about the Second City?

Originally Posted by bmwguydc

I am familiar with the area, and yes, there are many who make a good income. Kenilworth has a HHI median of $200k and a per capita is a little over $100k. A per capita figure of $140k which you quoted previously would make Lincoln Park wealthier, as a whole, than Kenilworth, which is not the case. Keniloworth is smaller, and much wealthier, overall, whereas Lincoln Park is more diverse, ranging from the working affluent to the genuinely wealthy.

The Miracle Mile is a destination shopping district, not unlike NYC's own Fifth and Madison Avenues, or SoHo, or Palm Beach's Worth Avenue, or Rodeo Drive. They pull from the areas in which they are located to be sure, but the presence is not the same as a neighborhood shop, since many times botiques that do not locate in suburban centers are clustered around such areas for the region in which they are located.

[Moderate Guy]

Originally Posted by clevedark

Wow, that's the first time I've ever heard anyone suggest that a parent should choose where to live based on what their child wanted! What happens when a family has two kids and one wants to live at Disneyworld and the other one just has to live in Kenya because he wants to be on safari, like, every day? I suppose the best parents would do whatever it takes not to make Max and Sophia grumpy.

Originally Posted by lincolnparker

Actually I have two cousins. one lives in south africa with his father because he loves safaris and one lives in san diego with his mother because he likes surfing. They are perfectly happy with the arrangement.

With a philosophy that kids rule parents and determine life choices for the whole family, it's not surprising that lincoln's example involves parents and siblings in the same family living worlds apart.

[clevedark]

Oh my. Well, the truth is, Lincolnparker, about 99.9% of parents and the rest of society would consider an arrangement like that an abject parenting failure, not something to be proud of.

[bmwguydc]

Originally Posted by lincolnparker

You are familiar with the area? LMAO! I have not heard of a "Miracle Mile," nor has anyone familiar with Chicago. We chicagoans only know the Magnificent Mile. Maybe you dumped a mile of miracle from DC to Chicago. Unfotunately its probably disappeared in Lake Michigan, never seen by any of us here in Chicago. ROFL!!!

and yeah, what about Keniloworth? The OP of this thread was talking about moving to Chicago, not to the suburbs of Chicago, hello??? There are numerous wealthy suburbs in the area-hinsdale, lake forest, lake bluff, oak brook, barrington etc. But does that serve the purpose of this thread? it would, if the OP said specifically that she or he wanted to move to a suburb, but the original thread specified an urban setting.

As far as location of the boutique shopping establishments go, many of them have locations in the suburbs. Case in point, Neiman Marcus has a location on the Mag Mile; it has locations within the suburbs as well-Oakbrook, as well as Northbrook, which are directly west and north of Chicago respectively. Maybe you could actually visit chicago to make any statement about the Second City?

Chill out, dude. Good grief, I had Miami on the brain. Get a grip. I would normally thank someone for bringing my error to my attention, but not in this case, given the rude tone taken in the quoted post. And, for the record, I did not post an average per capita of $140k which is incorrect, both in the data and in the use of the terminology. Kenilworth illustrates the point that a $200+K HHI median has a per capita of $100k -- that's why I mentioned it, to illustrate the point in Chicago relavant terms. Average and Median HHI are not the same, nor is per capita income, and the terms are mutually exclusive when referencing a particular area, and are not the same number.

And, FYI, Neimans is not a boutique, it's a department store.