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Old 07-03-2008, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I really don;t see why we have to be the next Brooklyn or anything..I personally don't want to be the next Brooklyn. Brooklyn to me =severe lack of parkland and greenspace, continued severe racial tensions, rich vs poor, hipsters/gentrification at its worst form, shallow hype and marketing, and the deadliest areas in NYC.
Now, see, that's not right. I thought that someone who stands up for The Bronx the way you do wouldn't make such comments about other boroughs. In fact, you're wrong about Brooklyn. Except for the remark about hipsters, with which I'm in full agreement. It's really too bad there's no law keeping them from our side of the East River (which isn't east of Brooklyn, by the way!)

As to the marketing and hype, that isn't exclusive to Brooklyn. Don't worry; it's on its way to The Bronx. A little more redevelopment, and you won't be able to get away from it.

And for the record, I also agree with you on the issue of "next." I hate it when anyplace is described as the next this-or-that. Just a lot of yuppie/hipster ignorance. Brooklyn isn't the next anything; and it's the only borough that used to be a separate, chartered city. (The municipal election in 1895 that authorized consolidation with NYC was rigged; it was no secret that the vast majority of Brooklynites opposed the measure, yet it passed. To this day, nobody can account for those votes!)
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Old 07-03-2008, 09:24 AM
 
Location: East Tennessee and Atlanta
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It's hard to imagine any abandonment happening, barring some catastrophy. Vacancies have been very low for quite a while, and the population of the city is expected to grow in the future.
Exactly. The demand is too high for people wanting to simply "move-to and live-in" NYC, for any neighborhood to become "abandoned." Those people priced out of Manhattan, a neighborhood in Queens, or Brooklyn, would be priced "into" these neighborhoods. NYC has the most people in its 5 boroughs that it has ever had in history: about 8.4 million people and growing. It's projected to hit 9 million + by 2020.
Cities like Detroit, St Louis, Cleveland, Chicago even, have to worry about abandoned 'hoods--but never NYC.
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Old 07-03-2008, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Mott Haven
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Freddie...the point was not to dis Brooklyn...I do not hate brooklyn nor wish anything bad on Brooklyn..the point was why should the Bronx be anything but the Bronx? I dont' want to be the next Brooklyn because that would mean we lose everything that is unique and special that the Bronx has and no other borough can ever have.

Brooklyn is great!! I love Brooklyn...I just don't want to be the next Brooklyn...I would live there if that was the case.
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Old 07-03-2008, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Freddie...the point was not to dis Brooklyn...I do not hate brooklyn nor wish anything bad on Brooklyn..the point was why should the Bronx be anything but the Bronx? I dont' want to be the next Brooklyn because that would mean we lose everything that is unique and special that the Bronx has and no other borough can ever have.

Brooklyn is great!! I love Brooklyn...I just don't want to be the next Brooklyn...I would live there if that was the case.
Sorry if it sounded like I was up on a soapbox. I agree with you; The Bronx shouldn't be anything but The Bronx. I want the same for Brooklyn, although the current hipster infestation is making that hard to manage. I can only hope that their children and grandchildren will actually become Brooklynites, as opposed to transplanted Manhattanites.
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Old 07-03-2008, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Queens
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Just looking for opinions. Does anyone think that BX will become all white and gentrified like the rest of NYC in the near future?
..that might be nice. I would love to buy a condo there then. I actually wouldn't mind having some other colorful neighbors..a mix would be nice but I know this city tends to segregate a tad.
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Old 07-04-2008, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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It's not so much what the people look like; it's the way they act. I myself wouldn't care if my neighbors were white, black or green--just so long as they don't behave like yuppies and/or hipsters.
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Old 07-04-2008, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Morrisania, Bronx
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Sorry if it sounded like I was up on a soapbox. I agree with you; The Bronx shouldn't be anything but The Bronx. I want the same for Brooklyn, although the current hipster infestation is making that hard to manage. I can only hope that their children and grandchildren will actually become Brooklynites, as opposed to transplanted Manhattanites.
But unlike Brooklyn, if any Bronxite sees a hipster movement, they will fight to make sure they do not get evicted.
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Old 07-04-2008, 12:06 PM
Status: "I have "a thing" for duplex apartments" (set 17 hours ago)
 
Location: Confines of the 101 Precinct
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But unlike Brooklyn, if any Bronxite sees a hipster movement, they will fight to make sure they do not get evicted.
interesting topic....however i'ma start it in another thread so this 1 does not get disrupted and i'm giving u props on bringing this up.
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Old 07-05-2008, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Concourse Village, Bronx
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When I said the Bronx will be the next Brooklyn, I meant to say that the Bronx would be rediscovered like Brooklyn has been. I definitely do not want the Bronx to be Brooklyn. Nothing wrong with Brooklyn, but I grew up in the Bronx and have family ties to the Bronx. I have the means to move out, but find that the Bronx has everything I need to live a successful life. The Bronx is unique on its own!

As for hipsters/gentrifiers, I welcome them to the Bronx. They have every right to benefit from what this great borough has to offer. I believe that all leases, including rent-stabilzed leases should be respected. Yet, if the tenant is not paying rent, the landlord has every right to kick them out and raise the rent to market rate. This is why I encourage all Bronxites to save and buy a home. That's why I said that its better to make an investment now before we are priced out.
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Old 07-05-2008, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Queens
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When I said the Bronx will be the next Brooklyn, I meant to say that the Bronx would be rediscovered like Brooklyn has been. I definitely do not want the Bronx to be Brooklyn. Nothing wrong with Brooklyn, but I grew up in the Bronx and have family ties to the Bronx. I have the means to move out, but find that the Bronx has everything I need to live a successful life. The Bronx is unique on its own!

As for hipsters/gentrifiers, I welcome them to the Bronx. They have every right to benefit from what this great borough has to offer. I believe that all leases, including rent-stabilzed leases should be respected. Yet, if the tenant is not paying rent, the landlord has every right to kick them out and raise the rent to market rate. This is why I encourage all Bronxites to save and buy a home. That's why I said that its better to make an investment now before we are priced out.
The ghettos in Brooklyn are shrinking, while the ghettos in the Bronx have spread and is getting more dense. The BX doesn't have to worry about gentrification for a while. Plus the Bronx is where everyone goes when they are priced out of their neighborhood
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