DSNY Sanitation Test 6063/Job Discussion, Pt. 2 (transfer, cost of living, stations)

[Epyon7280]

Originally Posted by illmatic

he also told me that the city plans on going under headcount for a while, and that the attrition rate isn't what it would normally be at this point in the year (although I think Epyon would know more about that than him)...the wildest thing he said was that he heard a rumor that the city could even demote the most recently promoted supervisors back to san workers...I've never even heard of that before...

At least my assumption of them going under headcount for awhile appears to be true. I doubt if they would demoted recently promoted supervisors to san workers.

[GRAPES24]

Originally Posted by Kingcals

if there was no union, there would be no unlimited sick, no lodi ( you would get workers comp)...,prb. no pension benefits wouldnt be as good no breaks and no paid lunch ooo and if your boss told you to do something you would have to do it because there would be no union book to say hey we don't have to do that...

You are correct but this is also what is bad about the union and job. Too many guys taking advantage of these benefits.
I don't know where you worked before but you are supposed to do the work your boss tells you to do, it is called chain of command.
Remember we were being close to being laid off yet you have guys in the garage that should have been fired years ago but the union protected them.
I am glad we have a strong union, but in todays times unions are just there to protect the lazy and useless

[FULLTRUCK]

Originally Posted by GRAPES24

You are correct but this is also what is bad about the union and job. Too many guys taking advantage of these benefits.
I don't know where you worked before but you are supposed to do the work your boss tells you to do, it is called chain of command.
Remember we were being close to being laid off yet you have guys in the garage that should have been fired years ago but the union protected them.
I am glad we have a strong union, but in todays times unions are just there to protect the lazy and useless

The Union protects everybody. Your a good worker who is understandably frustrated with the losers. Every job has them. I would MUCH rather have the management walk on egg shells with us then vice versa. Could you imagine? It's gotten bad enough as it is. We need and deserve control over what's happening to us. We agree to certain work goals but our job is unique in that we have (especially behind the truck) a lot to live up to.

If you want to make it out of here in enough physical shape to enjoy your retirement then your going to need control.

[Kingcals]

yes i agree about the lazy and the useless and about following an order but if they told u to do both sides of a two way street would you??? or to work during your break?? or to work unsafely in any matter?? all i am saying is that if we didnt have the union they would say do this now or your fired....if we didnt have a union they would have 2000 illegals doing this job instead of us......

[JohnnyBaggO]

Originally Posted by GRAPES24

You are correct but this is also what is bad about the union and job. Too many guys taking advantage of these benefits.
I don't know where you worked before but you are supposed to do the work your boss tells you to do, it is called chain of command.
Remember we were being close to being laid off yet you have guys in the garage that should have been fired years ago but the union protected them.
I am glad we have a strong union, but in todays times unions are just there to protect the lazy and useless

Only when your boss is right

[Bigpaw]

Originally Posted by cv3123

chart tomorrow, going to apply for food stamps great job!!!!!!

Let me know how that turns out. Cant get a second job cuz my hours r all over the board and im a night signee.

[20yearman]

Hello brothers and sisters.
I'm new to this forum and found it by accident.
Ive been reading through the posts and its really sad how bad things have gotten. I'm in my 20th year and seen a lot of changes, 8hrs a day in the street, gps tacking systems, coming soon to all districts and so on. I don't know if I'm going to stay or retire, depends on how far down hill things really go. That dam dump money killed a lot of districts due to greed and stupidity. It was great that the union got that money for the districts that were already dumping but the districts that jumped on the chance to make a couple of extra dollars a day ruined the job. Now people are wondering why there might be layoffs. If every district was like QE8, stay out all day and not 1 dump the dept would be so strong. This is the best job I have ever had and I hope things get better. The hammer is about to fall on us with all theses cuts I'm hearing about so lets wake up and do the right thing out there.

[20yearman]

Originally Posted by FULLTRUCK

I said earlier on the thread that men had no notice of their layoff. I was wrong, they got about 2 weeks notice. I seemed to recall it was real short and I remember them getting "pink slips" and cleaning out their lockers.

We have to stay out for our health. That's the biggest concern. Someone just commented on here that Sanmen did not live long after retirement. It's true. I remember through the years the Union was bigger on this point and they don't mention it as much lately. As recently as 2000 they were telling new guys that the average life span for us in retirement is something like 6 years....does anybody recall that? I might have the number wrong.

It's also true that many guys run it up for all those "pathetic" reasons mentioned. This job has a screwed up self-image. Many morons got on years ago.

I don't know what is going to happen but the weights are down. They are having MLC meetings and they are cutting an average of AT LEAST 10 trucks per week in many garages.

Senior men might have the ability to mess routes up but there are PLENTY of junior guys on the job. There are way more guys with 10 or less then 10 or more years. It takes 2 to tango. If your paired with a guy and you think that it's a tough day runnin' it up and your worried about your future.....

THEN TO HELL WITH THEM. TAKE YOUR TIME. TAKE YOUR BREAKS.

What's seniority mean? NOTHING. What's he gonna do? HIT YOU?!?

Gimme a break. To all the junior guys out there that have tried over the last 5 years to "go with the flow" with these guys....

WAKE UP!!!!!! IT'S AN 8 HOUR JOB. IT'S AN 8 HOUR JOB.

You have rights. You will be real surprised when you stop running how quickly these guys will start scramblin' to figure out what to do. They are nothing without you.

VOTE OUT YOUR SHOP STEWARD if he runs and dumps. Shake 'em up.

I believe that Bloomberg shook Harry's hand last time and said there would be no layoffs.....BUT I AM POSTIVE HE SAID THEY WOULD NOT LAYOFF.

There are still holes in the budget and they have to GET FILLED FROM SOMEWHERE.

My understanding is that Teir 5 was removed from this budget but we will hear about it in the future. Maybe not in it's entirety but probably with the age requirement. A long, long, time ago guys got laid off from I think Teir 1 and were brought back under teir 2....RETIRED SANMAN knows for sure. So I think it unlikely they would try it but it was done before.

The routes WILL BE CUT. That is the other big reason why you should stay out. Attrition will be used to lower head count and this job is gonna get sick. I wish the best of luck for the new guys.

But don't be surprised if you hear about 200 gettin the axe.

WAKE UP ROOKIES. THIS IS YOUR JOB. AND IT'S AN 8 HOUR JOB.

Are you a shop steward? If not, you should be. Everyone should be listening to what youre saying!
If a crew dumps in our district (which rarely ever happens) we chastize them and make them feel like the morons they are. We really lay into them and it works. That makes for a great deterent to others that even try to think about dumpimg.
Your as strong as you weakest link so if you get stuck working with a runner and want to save your job just slow down and keep them out.

[Kingcals]

i knew to the job so if districts didnt dump b4 the money and now dump that is the dumbest thing i ahve ever heard lol after taxes you cant even buy a slice of pizza with that money and b4 taxes you cant buy a number 2 meal at mcdonalds if that was there reason for dumping that is so sad.....

[RETIRED SANMAN]

Originally Posted by Kingcals

i knew to the job so if districts didnt dump b4 the money and now dump that is the dumbest thing i ahve ever heard lol after taxes you cant even buy a slice of pizza with that money and b4 taxes you cant buy a number 2 meal at mcdonalds if that was there reason for dumping that is so sad.....

HELLO PEOPLE IT'S BEEN A WHILE JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW BACK IN 1981 WHEN THEY STARTED THE 2 MAN TRUCK,THEY GAVE THE SANITATIONMAN $11.00 PER SHIFT ON THE TRUCK ,THE GUY'S ALL JUMPED ON IT ,GUY'S THAT WERE NOT ON THE TRUCK FOR YEAR'S CAME RUNNING IT BOOSTED THERE PENSION'S AND THEY RETIRED,HECK WHO COULD BLAME THEM THIS IS WHAT THE UNION AGREED TO WITH THE CITY,SO THEY TOOK IT.GUY'S REMEMBER ONE THING THIS IS STILL A GREAT JOB YES THING'S CHANGE AND THEY ALWAY'S WILL JUST LIKE LIFE .MY ADVICE TO YOU GUY'S ON THE JOB OR WAITING TO GET ON ,DO YOUR 20 OR 25 YEAR'S WHAT EVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO AND RETIRE ,I HOPE YOU JOIN THE 457 PLAN IT WILL BE A SECOND CHECK FOR YOU .GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL AND BE SAFE.