The Official NYC Crime Thread (New York, Westbury: shop, estate, rating)

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by analyticalkeys

Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Los Angeles, New Orleans, Miami, St. Louis, Philadelphia, etc.....

New York City has neighborhoods that rank higher in crime than certain neighborhoods in all of those cities...you know that don't you?

[analyticalkeys]

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

New York City has neighborhoods that rank higher in crime than certain neighborhoods in all of those cities...you know that don't you?

Yes, and those cities have more areas that are bad... my point wasn't that NYC is better or anything, just that there are MORE places where bad things can happen in other cities.

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by analyticalkeys

Yes, and those cities have more areas that are bad... my point wasn't that NYC is better or anything, just that there are MORE places where bad things can happen in other cities.

Originally Posted by analyticalkeys

New York is relatively safe... a lot of places have MUCH higher crime rates than here. Yes, bad things happen.. but more bad things happen elsewhere, lol.

Ohh brother..

I'm sorry but the only people who say that are people who are from the suburbs and have no idea or understanding of the hood/ghetto (or Europeans and people with a side agenda such as selling real estate etc). Listen, a bullet in Bedstuy, Flatbush, Jamaica, Harlem or wherever is NO DIFFERENT than a bullet in Chicago, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Compton, Detroit or wherever. A drive by doesn't get you "more dead" in St. Louis, Camden, NJ, Oakland, Baltimore or DC than it would in East NY, Brownsville, LES Manhattan, South Bronx etc. The bad parts of NYC (and there are many) are just as bad as the bad parts of all these other cities mentioned. Crime "rate" means NOTHING. There are just as many criminals here as in other places and if you're unlucky on that day...well then I'm sorry for you. The same "bad things" that happen in Chicago happen in New York City, there is no distinction. No place is worse than the other.

[twist07]

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

Ohh brother..

I'm sorry but the only people who say that are people who are from the suburbs and have no idea or understanding of the hood/ghetto (or Europeans and people with a side agenda such as selling real estate etc). Listen, a bullet in Bedstuy, Flatbush, Jamaica, Harlem or wherever is NO DIFFERENT than a bullet in Chicago, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Compton, Detroit or wherever. A drive by doesn't get you "more dead" in St. Louis, Camden, NJ, Oakland, Baltimore or DC than it would in East NY, Brownsville, LES Manhattan, South Bronx etc. The bad parts of NYC (and there are many) are just as bad as the bad parts of all these other cities mentioned. Crime "rate" means NOTHING. There are just as many criminals here as in other places and if you're unlucky on that day...well then I'm sorry for you. The same "bad things" that happen in Chicago happen in New York City, there is no distinction. No place is worse than the other.

The numbers have to stand for something, and the fact that crime isn't as rampant in even the bad parts of NY as they were before, says alot too. How many people come from certain hoods like Bed-Stuy, Crown Heights, etc... Leave for a while then come back and say "dag alot has changed?" I think what 'analyticalkeys' is trying to say is that on average in the city as a whole you are less likely, to become a victim of crime. For example Franklin Ave around Eastern Parkway is alot safer than it was long ago. I used to live in Miami and in the NY area, I can tell you about so many places that changed and my young female cousins are able to walk the streets in Far Rockaway, Jamaica or Flatbush, but they can't even walk or ride the bus in North Miami without being harassed. Where alot of cities stayed the same as far as crime rate or got worse NY went down. Brownsville and East NY are still dangerous, is it as dangerous as '89? No, however you are less likely to have something happen to you walking down Saratoga ave than in Liberty City or Little Haiti in Miami. From my own observation, coupled with data, I cannot deny this as fact. But it is still a problem that crime seems to be contained in majority black and latino areas and something has to be done.

p.s. I liked that you noted "medina" not just Brooklyn

[analyticalkeys]

Originally Posted by twist07

The numbers have to stand for something, and the fact that crime isn't as rampant in even the bad parts of NY as they were before, says alot too. How many people come from certain hoods like Bed-Stuy, Crown Heights, etc... Leave for a while then come back and say "dag alot has changed?" I think what 'analyticalkeys' is trying to say is that on average in the city as a whole you are less likely, to become a victim of crime. For example Franklin Ave around Eastern Parkway is alot safer than it was long ago. I used to live in Miami and in the NY area, I can tell you about so many places that changed and my young female cousins are able to walk the streets in Far Rockaway, Jamaica or Flatbush, but they can't even walk or ride the bus in North Miami without being harassed. Where alot of cities stayed the same as far as crime rate or got worse NY went down. Brownsville and East NY are still dangerous, is it as dangerous as '89? No, however you are less likely to have something happen to you walking down Saratoga ave than in Liberty City or Little Haiti in Miami. From my own observation, coupled with data, I cannot deny this as fact. But it is still a problem that crime seems to be contained in majority black and latino areas and something has to be done.

p.s. I liked that you noted "medina" not just Brooklyn

Yes, this is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. Thanks for clarifying.

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

Ohh brother..

I'm sorry but the only people who say that are people who are from the suburbs and have no idea or understanding of the hood/ghetto (or Europeans and people with a side agenda such as selling real estate etc). Listen, a bullet in Bedstuy, Flatbush, Jamaica, Harlem or wherever is NO DIFFERENT than a bullet in Chicago, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Compton, Detroit or wherever. A drive by doesn't get you "more dead" in St. Louis, Camden, NJ, Oakland, Baltimore or DC than it would in East NY, Brownsville, LES Manhattan, South Bronx etc. The bad parts of NYC (and there are many) are just as bad as the bad parts of all these other cities mentioned. Crime "rate" means NOTHING. There are just as many criminals here as in other places and if you're unlucky on that day...well then I'm sorry for you. The same "bad things" that happen in Chicago happen in New York City, there is no distinction. No place is worse than the other.

Congratulations, you just tried to get at me with EXACTLY what I said on the other page, albeit in not so many words. Here, I'll even quote it for you:

Originally Posted by analyticalkeys

Well, I always say.. just because other people have it worse, doesn't make your problems any less serious.. so just because a lot more people might get murdered in Chicago or Detroit.. doesn't mean that the possibility of it happening somewhere in NYC, though smaller, is something to laugh at.

P.S. I'm not from the suburbs, European, and I do have a lot of friends that live in the hood, so I've spent a fair share of time in them. Thanks.

[KRS88]

The worse parts of NYC are just as bad as the worst parts of any other city crime rates mean nothing in a city as big and densely populated as NYC.

[zac14]

Originally Posted by KRS88

The worse parts of NYC are just as bad as the worst parts of any other city crime rates mean nothing in a city as big and densely populated as NYC.

Wont the good areas make the cities crime rate seem lower, is that what your saying?

Here is some stuff from today
Shots Fired | 91 E 18th St X Church Rd Brooklyn, NY | 8/6/2009 7:56 p.m.
Shots Fired | Hunts Point Ave & Seneca Ave Bronx, NY | 8/6/2009 7:46 p.m.
Shooting | E 100 St & 2nd Ave Manhattan, NY | 8/6/2009 2:48 p.m.
Male Shot | 1st Av & E 100 St Manhattan, NY | 8/6/2009 1:49 p.m.
Shooting | Marion Av X E 194th St Bronx, NY | 8/6/2009 12:42 a.m.
Homicide | Crescent Ave Staten Island, NY | 8/6/2009 4:19 a.m.

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by twist07

The numbers have to stand for something, and the fact that crime isn't as rampant in even the bad parts of NY as they were before, says alot too. How many people come from certain hoods like Bed-Stuy, Crown Heights, etc... Leave for a while then come back and say "dag alot has changed?" I think what 'analyticalkeys' is trying to say is that on average in the city as a whole you are less likely, to become a victim of crime. For example Franklin Ave around Eastern Parkway is alot safer than it was long ago. I used to live in Miami and in the NY area, I can tell you about so many places that changed and my young female cousins are able to walk the streets in Far Rockaway, Jamaica or Flatbush, but they can't even walk or ride the bus in North Miami without being harassed. Where alot of cities stayed the same as far as crime rate or got worse NY went down. Brownsville and East NY are still dangerous, is it as dangerous as '89? No, however you are less likely to have something happen to you walking down Saratoga ave than in Liberty City or Little Haiti in Miami. From my own observation, coupled with data, I cannot deny this as fact. But it is still a problem that crime seems to be contained in majority black and latino areas and something has to be done.

p.s. I liked that you noted "medina" not just Brooklyn

Just because nothing happened to you or your family members doesn't mean it isn't happening at all. People get harassed everyday here on the train and bus. I made a post months ago about a woman I saw basically getting sexually assaulted on the Q train at Canal st (and all the Bloomberg/Kelly crowd said I was lying) by a group of thugs wielding guns. No one could do anything because of that, including her b/f who they pistol whipped on the train and when we pulled into Canal station we ran up to alert the booth clerk all the while we could hear the woman screaming...did not once make the news or papers.

Alot of people leave and come back and while things have changed, it certainly isn't better. Unemployment is higher than the late 80s/early 90s, more homelessness, teen pregnancy is higher, economy is worse etc. I don't call that getting better. Crime is up in many categories despite the false reports from Bloomberg/Kelly. Also murder rate alone doesn't determine how bad/safe a city is. In NYC's worst day it was NEVER the highest for crime or murders...even in the worst year on record (1990) so what are people REALLY saying? Does that mean it was safe then? Compared to the 80s/90s crime is down overall everywhere not just NYC (going by the "official" stats of course). For the record, I've lived in Chicago and spent quite some time in the south and west sides...NO DIFFERENT from Brooklyn (flatbush, do or die, the wasteland, the east, C.I., etc). Spent time in Orlando & Tampa Bay, FL, Jackson, Mississippi...Watts & Oakland, CA, Newark NJ, Baltimore, MD, Washington, DC, Richmond, VA (list goes ON AND ONE)...no different from Brooklyn, Bronx, Harlem etc. Good parts, bad parts and the bad parts were the SAME THING as here...drugs, gangs, grafitti, prostitution, daily hood beef (fights, "baby momma drama", he said/she said) etc. When I was in Chi-town, most of the guys I was stationed with were from there and lived in the hood so everyday after work I was in either Englewood or North Lawndale. I saw everything that I saw here in Brooklyn where I'm from but nothing happened to me while I was there. Should I make posts about how "soft" Chicago is and how it's crime rate is overhyped (basically the opposite of what people say about NYCs crime rate being down)?

Bottom line, mostly everyone is making it seem as if NYC is some kind of utopia. Look man LOL, I'm just trying to keep these people safe because you guys are going to get these individuals seriously injured teliing them things like, "Oh, don't worry, Harlem is gentrified now, it's completely safe " or "Brooklyns great, you can walk right down Franklin Ave...no problemo ". The only thing different between now and then is the drug trade isn't as out in the open as it was. Back then it was total disregard for law and authority (you know how Brooklyn used to be man). Ghouliani made it so you have to be descreet. Detroit, Chicago, Camden etc are naturally always going to have more murders (by rate) and slightly more crime by the numbers. Why? Because they are not the center of the world. USA cannot function if NYC isn't making money (tourism, real estate etc) so there has to be a strong police prescence and constant empty rhetoric that we're the "safest city in the world" to keep these things intact. The government doesn't care about Camden or Detroit being an absolute wasteland. We can't deny the obvious stat juking (regardless of what people say). I'm not concerned with the "numbers game" and politicians playing the masses with empty rhetoric (ie: "safest city in the world") as I'm concerned with the upliftment of the Moorish (so called "Blacks, Latinos/Hispanics, Native Americans/American Indian) neighborhoods and it's people, which you eluded to at the end of your post.

Originally Posted by Analyticalkeys

P.S. I'm not from the suburbs, European, and I do have a lot of friends that live in the hood, so I've spent a fair share of time in them. Thanks.

You spent time there, I'm from there...and still live and do work there. Pretty safe to say I'm the expert here.

[NewCalifornian]

Mod cut: not necessary, thanks.

USA cannot function if NYC isn't making money (tourism, real estate etc) so there has to be a strong police prescence

Interesting that everything in the United States apparently relies on NYC. and that's a comment from a senior member.

[KRS88]

Originally Posted by zac14

Wont the good areas make the cities crime rate seem lower, is that what your saying?

Here is some stuff from today
Shots Fired | 91 E 18th St X Church Rd Brooklyn, NY | 8/6/2009 7:56 p.m.
Shots Fired | Hunts Point Ave & Seneca Ave Bronx, NY | 8/6/2009 7:46 p.m.
Shooting | E 100 St & 2nd Ave Manhattan, NY | 8/6/2009 2:48 p.m.
Male Shot | 1st Av & E 100 St Manhattan, NY | 8/6/2009 1:49 p.m.
Shooting | Marion Av X E 194th St Bronx, NY | 8/6/2009 12:42 a.m.
Homicide | Crescent Ave Staten Island, NY | 8/6/2009 4:19 a.m.

Im saying NYC is a city of 8 million people and there arent 4 million criminals so even if the rate was 100% accurate which its not. A much better description of how safe you would be is find out the rate of the borough or neighborhood if you want to get accurate.