The Official NYC Crime Thread (Inwood, Washington Heights: restaurant, affordable housing, tickets)

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by vitalove

My opinion is based on crime stats from the NYC crime map found on NYT and Gothamist which solely compares NYC neighborhoods. The FBI may be looking at specific kinds of crime (high level drug selling at a warehouse level) etc. And I respect that. You did not say that it was an FBI list, you said it was some US list.

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

Remember you brought up stats as the focal point of your argument, however you didn't do proper research and gave opinionated statements of how there are neighborhoods in Brooklyn/Bronx with higher crime rates than ones in Harlem and the FBI says so.

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

Well, once again, the FBI says that the most dangerous neighborhood in the city and #17 most dangerous in the U.S. is St. Nicholas...A NEIGHBORHOOD IN HARLEM.

Ehh, you're right...I didn't say it.

Originally Posted by vitalove

Weekend after weekend, the Bronx and Brooklyn had more shootings than Harlem all this summer. All you have to do is read this thread from the beginning which I did. When you look at crime at that level, Harlem is not up there with the other very dangerous nabes in Brooklyn and the Bronx.

The data does not reflect this summer.

Originally Posted by vitalove

You made many inaccurate statements especially in regards to real estate and told me that I was completely wrong and didn't know what I was talking about. And I do and you had to back down.

No, I said I concede to you for now because I need to do more research on it (I do know there is much million dollar real estate in the stuy and surrounding areas...which I will prove shortly).

Originally Posted by vitalove

As for your argument that because one sub-section of Harlem represents all of Harlem, that is wrong and is a complete statistical fallacy. If you took statistics you would know this.

Wow, I NEVER said any of that. My argument is that Harlem has some of the cities most dangerous neighborhoods, point blank period.

Originally Posted by vitalove

As for this FBI list, I found it online and your interpretation is wrong. This is what it says:
25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods - WalletPop
New York/NY and Harlem St Nicholas Area is #18/25 and not in the top 10 as you reported.

I didn't say this either. I said ACCORDING TO THE FBI it was the most dangerous NEIGHBORHOOD in the city (which is TRUE) and the 17th most dangerous in the U.S. (which it actually is the 18th, minor irrelevant mistake on my behalf...the facts still stand). Then I added that IN MY OPINION (meaning based on that alone, and not "stats"...just my personal research and experiences) St. Nicholas is top 10 worst in the city. You're running out of an argument is leading to many misquotes now.

Originally Posted by vitalove

The methodology this list took:
NeighborhoodScout reveals and maps the neighborhoods, and reports the predicted number of violent crimes, property crimes, the violent crime rate per 1,000, the property crime rate per 1,000, the density of crimes per square mile, and a neighborhood resident’s chance of becoming a victim of a violent crime, or a property crime, if living in the neighborhood for a year. All are compared to city-wide, state-wide, and nation-wide averages for comparison.

This means that they are predicting the chance of a crime happening to someone, based on the total population per square mile.

First, Predicting and an actual crime is not the same thing. So this means that crime rate is not ACTUAL crime statistics which is what I was telling you to find, but is a PREDICTION. PREDICTION = POSSIBILITY NOT ACTUAL!!

Second, they are looking at a very small area with a low population. The areas I keep mentioning in Brooklyn and the Bronx would not make this list because they are larger and have more people.

What this means is that even if their crime numbers are higher than Harlem, the fact that they have a higher population. According to the methodology of this poll, this would in turn drop their percentage even though their crime is higher.


So before you go pointing out some poll and saying that it is absolutely correct, look at the methodology that was used and then apply it to real life facts. This is basic statistics you learn in college. You cannot believe everything you read but you have to look at everything from every angle.


Thanks again. I'm done.

LOLUhhhhh...No

First of all, it would be nice if you didn't quote out of context. Let's check out the whole methodology part that you negleted to post for everyone :

Exclusive Neighborhood Crime Information
Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowed collects data from all 17,000 local law enforcement agencies in America, Mod cut: copyright violation

What are your credentials Vitalove, or are we still going off your non fact based theories and opinions (For the record (when concerning scholarship), big time schools and PHDs mean nothing to me)? I'm just saying, sounds pretty legit and reliable to me, now we'll see what everyone else has to say. This man has way more knowledge and experience than you in this category, I think I'll go with the doc on this one .

[ddhboy]

It should be noted that the area that the list described as "Harlem" was a small portion of the neighborhood.

[Elvira Black]

Bohz, boyz, can't we all just get along? lol

OK, I took a peek at the Wallet pop thing, and it made me feel much safer about being a NY'er, as the only mention of NYC was one STREET in Harlem. One street. In Harlem.

Not even hoods, but streets. Makes me feel sorry for those in Cincinatti, both for the crime rate and because, well, they live in Cincinatti.

I think I'll take my chances here in the bad ol Bronx.

As far as Brooklyn, there's been an awful lot of crime activity going on there, daily.

Harlem? Well, it's part of Manhattan and Manhattan is mostly "gentrified" by default. The economic downturn has derailed things a tad, but I think we will start to see some recovery in this area soon.

When my gnarly area is starting to make inroads, I think that bodes well for the city as a whole. And crime always goes up in the summer.

I took statistics many ages ago (hated it lol) but yes, stats can be manipulated every which way. And IMO nothing beats the actual experience of living in the area to get a real sense of what's going down.

[zac14]

Originally Posted by vitalove

It does not stand in the way the poster is using it. He is using it as though this poll is the gospel on crime in Harlem and it is not. The poll is projecting where they think someone will suffer crime based on two things, the number of crimes in the past and the population. But it is clearly focused on a small area in Harlem with a small population. You cannot take this and say this is true for all of Harlem nor that it is entirely accurate.

People really need to learn and understand what statistics are and how to analyze and comprehend them completely. I can find any statistical report and manipulate it, that doesn't mean it is accurate or the truth.

Ya but for the average person who hears "Harlem" they are going to lump it all together and it will be irrelevant. Im ask a lot of people about Harlem and they will answer as if it is is a giant crime infested area whether the be true or not.

Also am I the only one who finds it ironic there was a shooting within the mast dangerous neighborhood list area?

[KRS88]

Originally Posted by zac14

Ya but for the average person who hears "Harlem" they are going to lump it all together and it will be irrelevant. Im ask a lot of people about Harlem and they will answer as if it is is a giant crime infested area whether the be true or not.

Also am I the only one who finds it ironic there was a shooting within the mast dangerous neighborhood list area?

Lol Im not suprised at all that there was a shooting in a terrible place.

[zac14]

Originally Posted by KRS88

Lol Im not suprised at all that there was a shooting in a terrible place.

Ya lol I mean Vitalove was going on about how that list is stupid but then there comes a shooting in that area lol.

[vitalove]

This is my last post in reference to this "poll" and its attributes.

For one, Justfarr, you repeatedly said that according to your stats Harlem was the top 10 worst city in the area. Now you concede that it is your opinion. Just like you disagree with my opinion, I disagree with yours.

That poll was not conducted by any scientist it was compiled by a website and used numbers from the FBI to create their own list according to their own methodology. Reading and understanding is fundamental.

To Zac, a shooting did happen in the St. Nicholas area of Harlem. But it has also happened in Bed Stuy and East New York, which are neighborhoods that I pointed out were more dangerous than all of Harlem. Neighborhoods like Ft Greene and Clinton Hill, which are supposed to be so much better than Harlem---but which are most similar to Harlem in attributes---also had two major shootings/attacks in that neighborhood just the other day. What does that say? Does that make them any more or less dangerous than Harlem? What is your point?

For the last time I am not saying that Harlem does not have crime but I am saying that it is unreasonable and unfair to judge one full neighborhood east of about 5 miles north and 3 miles east to west, by a 3 block radius of activity. If that isn't naive and ignorant I don't know what is.

Thank you DDHboy for seeing what I was saying.

Lastly, I am not a man and I am very educated with a graduate degree. A degree in which I had to study advanced statistics and I see have a better understanding of it than some (not all) of the people here. Not that that matters much to the person who questioned this.

Good day all and God Bless NYC!

[zac14]

Originally Posted by vitalove

This is my last post in reference to this "poll" and its attributes.

For one, Justfarr, you repeatedly said that according to your stats Harlem was the top 10 worst city in the area. Now you concede that it is your opinion. Just like you disagree with my opinion, I disagree with yours.

That poll was not conducted by any scientist it was compiled by a website and used numbers from the FBI to create their own list according to their own methodology. Reading and understanding is fundamental.

To Zac, a shooting did happen in the St. Nicholas area of Harlem. But it has also happened in Bed Stuy and East New York, which are neighborhoods that I pointed out were more dangerous than all of Harlem. Neighborhoods like Ft Greene and Clinton Hill, which are supposed to be so much better than Harlem---but which are most similar to Harlem in attributes---also had two major shootings/attacks in that neighborhood just the other day. What does that say? Does that make them any more or less dangerous than Harlem? What is your point?

For the last time I am not saying that Harlem does not have crime but I am saying that it is unreasonable and unfair to judge one full neighborhood east of about 5 miles north and 3 miles east to west, by a 3 block radius of activity. If that isn't naive and ignorant I don't know what is.

Thank you DDHboy for seeing what I was saying.

Lastly, I am not a man and I am very educated with a graduate degree. A degree in which I had to study advanced statistics and I see have a better understanding of it than some (not all) of the people here. Not that that matters much to the person who questioned this.

Good day all and God Bless NYC!

Just clarify ive never said Harlem is the most dangerous nabe in NYC all ive said is that the gentrification is all hype.

[ChiMack]

bratton said he will come back to nyc if kelly steps down

[zac14]

Just a question has the Lower East Side/Alphabet City been fully gentrified? What about Washington Heights/Inwood?