The Official NYC Crime Thread

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by Mekitor

I agree with SobroGuy. You can keep posting these crimes on this thread, but overall crime is down in the city. No matter how you want to prove how dangerous a neighborhood or the city is with these crime stories. Suburban people, people from other states, people from other countries and immigrants are and will still be flocking to NYC and to some of these neighborhoods. Whether you want them or not. That is the circle of life in NYC.

Exactly, and as usual when neighborhoods and their residents are displaced by "suburban people"...oh excuse me I mean "gentrified" (as Europeans call it) it's ALWAYS so called Blacks/Hispanics-Latinos who are the victims. You're absolutely right. That is the circle of life...all over the world.

[cyrusjul]

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

And you suggesting that because you don't SEE the crimes every time you step outside your door means it's nonexistent or is subsiding...is ridiculous. Even during the so called "dark days" I didn't see crime ALL the time everywhere I went so that point is weak. Once again...

Well do you still see this in NYC? Bushwick? Not even in East New York or Brownsville (which are consider the worst in NYC) you have gangs this bad. Now don't get me wrong, there still some gang activity and drug sales, but they don't take neighborhoods and street hostage from the rest of the population. They just like to stand in corners. Bushwick does look so scary back then. Then lets remember what these neighborhood looked like during the late 80's and early 90's with the crack epidemic. Much worse situation for the people who lived there. Lets be glad that crime is down for most people in NYC.


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[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by cyrusjul

Well do you still see this in NYC? Bushwick? Not even in East New York or Brownsville (which are consider the worst in NYC) you have gangs this bad. Now don't get me wrong, there still some gang activity and drug sales, but they don't take neighborhoods and street hostage from the rest of the population. They just like to stand in corners. Bushwick does look so scary back then. Then lets remember what these neighborhood looked like during the late 80's and early 90's with the crack epidemic. Much worse situation for the people who lived there. Lets be glad that crime is down for most people in NYC.


YouTube - The Devils Rebels 1976 News Footage

LOL. That still happens ALL time time (referring to your video). Just about everytime I'm around Brownsville, East NY, BedStuy, Flatbush I see gangs looking for trouble and starting Mod cut: language then the police come and all the so called black and latino youths are arrested. I can HONESTLY say whenever I'm in Brownsville I see this ALL the time. I might not see shootings and dead bodies laying around the streets but I always can find young teenage gang members getting rowdy especially around projects. As far as the streets being "take hostage" I disagree once again because the streets were never taken hostage. What do you think that no one ever came outside at all during the 70s/80s? Of course not, people always went about their everyday/night business and your chances of getting mugged, assaulted, raped were just as high then as now. It might look worse but it was just as bad then as it was now ESPECIALLY for Moorish (so called Black/Latino/Hispanic) youth and as a matter of fact things are getting worse. There are just new gangs, gang members and a new style of dress and street slang. The names change but the game is the same. I don't need Mayor Scumberg or Comm. Ray KKKelly via Compstat to tell me how good or bad my own people are faring in our neighborhoods. I'm IN THESE PLACES and I see first hand what's going on. Nobody who sits around crunching numbers can tell me otherwise.

[njnyckid]

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Still having those very busy weekends I see with every borough having a shooting/stabbing.

[SobroGuy]

Justfarr unfortunately you believe any kids of color hanging around outside are either drug dealers/gang members. It's that sort of ignorance that annoys people of color..we can't even step outside IN OUR OWN BLOCK AND NEIGHBORHOOD without being viewed as "up to no good" and "gangmembers." How can anyone take your posts seriously after making a statement like that? I take it when you see young white kids out at night they are also gangmembers and drug dealers? Because people of color don't have the market cornered on that.

Secondly, you are painfully mistaken if you believe that your chances of being a victim of crime are the same today as they were in the 70s, or early 90s for that matter..that is just laughable. But then again, it's all the same to you....you still see people of color so the crime rates are all the same no matter what. By the way, people of color are the majority in NYC today and crime is lower today than it was in 1960, when the majority of the city was white....so your assertions about crime and people of color don't jive. But who needs facts and reality...

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by SobroGuy

Justfarr unfortunately you believe any kids of color hanging around outside are either drug dealers/gang members. It's that sort of ignorance that annoys people of color..we can't even step outside IN OUR OWN BLOCK AND NEIGHBORHOOD without being viewed as "up to no good" and "gangmembers." How can anyone take your posts seriously after making a statement like that? I take it when you see young white kids out at night they are also gangmembers and drug dealers? Because people of color don't have the market cornered on that.

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You obviously misunderstood my post. Epic fail.

PS: I'm sure most people know by now that I'm not here for a popularity contest.

Originally Posted by SobroGuy

Secondly, you are painfully mistaken if you believe that your chances of being a victim of crime are the same today as they were in the 70s, or early 90s for that matter..that is just laughable. But then again, it's all the same to you....you still see people of color so the crime rates are all the same no matter what. By the way, people of color are the majority in NYC today and crime is lower today than it was in 1960, when the majority of the city was white....so your assertions about crime and people of color don't jive. But who needs facts and reality...

Yes your chances of being a victim are just the same or worse. Bullets are bullets and any bullet that's flying (except at a gun range) on a residential street makes for a dangerous situation in ANY ghetto/hood. The degree of crime doesn't vary based on location or based on how many murders took place there during the year. Until our youth stop committing self inflicting genocide then we are failing. BOTTOM LINE. Forget a compstat (I couldn't use the real word I wanted to so I say forget).

[KRS88]

Living in NYC since 1978 (I only remember 82ishh on) I can definately say Crime IS NOT as bad as it was in the crack days and before that, but I will say the violence in neighborhoods like East New York, Browsville, and East Flatbush definately make it feel like the early 90s.

[SobroGuy]

I understand all of your posts, and not sure why you are trying so hard to convince people that NYC crime is out of control, people of color are the root of all evil, and that nothing has changed since the 70s. People who LIVE in these neighborhoods know the changes, increased safety, and significant improvements since the 70s. Does that mean it is now a Utopia? Nope..but it has improved significantly, and continues to do so.

How do I know this? I LIVE HERE. New middle class residents moving into my community, neighbors replacing steel doors with glass, decorative doors, cleaner streets, more trees and parks, more restaurants and businesses opening, condos/co-ops increasing, etc. These are NOT signs a neighborhood is deteriorating, these are signs of IMPROVEMENT. These are not signs the 70s blight and crime are here to stay, these are signs that we have moved past that and the city and community are investing in themselves.

Does this mean there is no crime? Nope. Does this mean there are no drugs? Nope. Does this mean there are no gangs? Nope...please tell me at what time in NYC's history there was no illegal/underground culture, gangs, or crime? We do not expect these communities to become Utopian society's, but to assert that they are declining/same as the 70s/early 90s is false, and not supported by any evidence besides the usual high-profile crimes in the papers. Listings crimes does a great job of scaring people, but it does not tell the whole picture: crime is down, and has been on a downward trend for years.

Will it go to zero? Nope...nobody believes it will. Does it mean you can now leave your windows and doors unlocked? Nope. Does this mean you can wear 80 pounds of gaudy gold jewelry and cover yourself with $100 bills while hanging out at 3am in the bodega? Nope. But it does mean NYC is MUCH safer than it was, and the city's investments in these communities is paying off in spades. The city finally got things right: they are providing significant investment and redevelopment in poorer communities which account for the bulk of crime in NYC, as well as concentrating police to blunt any possible resurgence in crime. And all these policies are assisting in making these communities, and NYC as a whole, safer. So long as significant attention is paid to these communities, you will continue to see decreasing crime, or at least not a substantial increase in crime (barring some out of the ordinary event of course).

[SobroGuy]

KRS, I can understand that you Ffeel like it is the early 90s again. Everyone's perception of crime is different, and as people age and have differnet experiences, their views on crime also change. It is possible that in some communities, crime is increasing..and we know that there is evidence to support that. However, when talk about the bigger picture, there is a definite drop in crime as opposed to the early 90s, for example.

[Infamous92]

Originally Posted by SobroGuy

I understand all of your posts, and not sure why you are trying so hard to convince people that NYC crime is out of control, people of color are the root of all evil, and that nothing has changed since the 70s. People who LIVE in these neighborhoods know the changes, increased safety, and significant improvements since the 70s. Does that mean it is now a Utopia? Nope..but it has improved significantly, and continues to do so.

How do I know this? I LIVE HERE. New middle class residents moving into my community, neighbors replacing steel doors with glass, decorative doors, cleaner streets, more trees and parks, more restaurants and businesses opening, condos/co-ops increasing, etc. These are NOT signs a neighborhood is deteriorating, these are signs of IMPROVEMENT. These are not signs the 70s blight and crime are here to stay, these are signs that we have moved past that and the city and community are investing in themselves.

Does this mean there is no crime? Nope. Does this mean there are no drugs? Nope. Does this mean there are no gangs? Nope...please tell me at what time in NYC's history there was no illegal/underground culture, gangs, or crime? We do not expect these communities to become Utopian society's, but to assert that they are declining/same as the 70s/early 90s is false, and not supported by any evidence besides the usual high-profile crimes in the papers. Listings crimes does a great job of scaring people, but it does not tell the whole picture: crime is down, and has been on a downward trend for years.

Will it go to zero? Nope...nobody believes it will. Does it mean you can now leave your windows and doors unlocked? Nope. Does this mean you can wear 80 pounds of gaudy gold jewelry and cover yourself with $100 bills while hanging out at 3am in the bodega? Nope. But it does mean NYC is MUCH safer than it was, and the city's investments in these communities is paying off in spades. The city finally got things right: they are providing significant investment and redevelopment in poorer communities which account for the bulk of crime in NYC, as well as concentrating police to blunt any possible resurgence in crime. And all these policies are assisting in making these communities, and NYC as a whole, safer. So long as significant attention is paid to these communities, you will continue to see decreasing crime, or at least not a substantial increase in crime (barring some out of the ordinary event of course).

Originally Posted by SobroGuy

KRS, I can understand that you Ffeel like it is the early 90s again. Everyone's perception of crime is different, and as people age and have differnet experiences, their views on crime also change. It is possible that in some communities, crime is increasing..and we know that there is evidence to support that. However, when talk about the bigger picture, there is a definite drop in crime as opposed to the early 90s, for example.

I agree, I know I am guilty of basing NYC's crime (as a whole) on the crime in my neighborhood and what I've witnessed and experienced without even realizing it. Everyone has a different story, I didn't experience the crime of the 70's/80's first hand because I wasn't even around back then so I can't even say I noticed a crime drop, I know for a fact that crime is down since the 70's-90's but it still bothered me when people said things like "NYC is so safe now" because I feel like that's such a blanket statement. Just because I was born in the 90's doesn't mean anything, I've seen plenty of things, that's why I feel everyone's story is different.

I do feel that NYC's crime overall is down but there's still Brownsville, parts of East New York, Morrisania, parts of South Jamaica, parts of Harlem, parts of Far Rockaway, etc. that still need a lot more work.