The Official NYC Crime Thread (Hempstead, Roosevelt: stores, activity, bad areas)

[KRS88]

Originally Posted by WestburynLI to BronxnNYC

I dunno about how crime has changed, but here in bronx river/soundview, it seems alot safer then it should be. I mean this is coming from someone from long island.

I hear places in Nassau like valley stream westbury and hempstead are ghetto is this true.

[SobroGuy]

What we can say is that if you are LOOKING for crime, you will no doubt find it. If you FEEL uncomfortable, even if its just more kids hanging out in front of your building when they never did before, then you will PERCEIVE things as "getting worse" when in reality it is just a simple specific thing that is affecting YOU more personally and annoying you, so you FEEL likes things are getting worse. Can I 100% say things in the South Bronx are safer and much improved? Of course not, the reality could be much different, however, as a reasonable person who is a long time resident, I see the changes and investments, I feel the difference, as do my neighbors and as evidenced by the newbies moving in, and the stats support this, so as a result, I make an informed judgement based on my personal experience, my interaction with my neighborhood, and the stats. However, as I stated earlier, if all I did was surround myself with the "wrong" element, there is no doubt that I would believe things are getting worse and our civilization will be dead in 4 years. It is hard to get people to see things that they are not used to, or believe things that they feel "can't be true." Nevertheless, the reality is things ARE improving greatly, and even I am surprised at how much safer the community FEELS.

[KRS88]

Originally Posted by SobroGuy

What we can say is that if you are LOOKING for crime, you will no doubt find it. If you FEEL uncomfortable, even if its just more kids hanging out in front of your building when they never did before, then you will PERCEIVE things as "getting worse" when in reality it is just a simple specific thing that is affecting YOU more personally and annoying you, so you FEEL likes things are getting worse. Can I 100% say things in the South Bronx are safer and much improved? Of course not, the reality could be much different, however, as a reasonable person who is a long time resident, I see the changes and investments, I feel the difference, as do my neighbors and as evidenced by the newbies moving in, and the stats support this, so as a result, I make an informed judgement based on my personal experience, my interaction with my neighborhood, and the stats. However, as I stated earlier, if all I did was surround myself with the "wrong" element, there is no doubt that I would believe things are getting worse and our civilization will be dead in 4 years. It is hard to get people to see things that they are not used to, or believe things that they feel "can't be true." Nevertheless, the reality is things ARE improving greatly, and even I am surprised at how much safer the community FEELS.

Maybe your community is getting better (which I belive is true) but the rest of the city is getting worse.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by KRS88

Maybe your community is getting better (which I belive is true) but the rest of the city is getting worse.

Nope. The south Bronx continues to be one of the worst part of the city.

4/16/09:

Shooting | 340 Alexander Ave X E 141st St Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 5:47 p.m.


Shooting | 3 Ave & 143 St Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 5:37 p.m.


Shooting | Grand Concourse & 161 St Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 1:39 p.m.


Shooting | 851 Grand Concourse Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 12:52 p.m.

Contribute: Gothamist

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Im sorry but that is just out of control. Shots were fired all over the south Bronx today. Im in touch with everything that happens in University Heights and sorrounding West Bronx areas and things like these have not happened this year and rarely occur. I haven't heard shots fired in my block for over a year, before it was common occurence. As long as Mott Haven and others have all these projects in their neighborhood, they will always be the worst part of the Bronx. This will never change. Unless of course you move the projects from the project rich south Bronx, to the project deprived west Bronx.

Mott Haven is still a really bad neighborhood. As is Concourse, Melrose, Morrisania and Hunts Point.

[nycricanpapi]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Nope. The south Bronx continues to be one of the worst part of the city.

4/16/09:

Shooting | 340 Alexander Ave X E 141st St Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 5:47 p.m.


Shooting | 3 Ave & 143 St Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 5:37 p.m.


Shooting | Grand Concourse & 161 St Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 1:39 p.m.


Shooting | 851 Grand Concourse Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 12:52 p.m.

Contribute: Gothamist

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Im sorry but that is just out of control. Shots were fired all over the south Bronx today. Im in touch with everything that happens in University Heights and sorrounding West Bronx areas and things like these have not happened this year and rarely occur. I haven't heard shots fired in my block for over a year, before it was common occurence. As long as Mott Haven and others have all these projects in their neighborhood, they will always be the worst part of the Bronx. This will never change. Unless of course you move the projects from the project rich south Bronx, to the project deprived west Bronx.

Mott Haven is still a really bad neighborhood. As is Concourse, Melrose, Morrisania and Hunts Point.

Wow this is crazy. I thought that the Bronx was getting better and that Brooklyn was worser. I guess I am wrong.

[DesiArnez6]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Nope. The south Bronx continues to be one of the worst part of the city.

4/16/09:

Shooting | 340 Alexander Ave X E 141st St Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 5:47 p.m.


Shooting | 3 Ave & 143 St Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 5:37 p.m.


Shooting | Grand Concourse & 161 St Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 1:39 p.m.


Shooting | 851 Grand Concourse Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 12:52 p.m.

Contribute: Gothamist

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Im sorry but that is just out of control. Shots were fired all over the south Bronx today. Im in touch with everything that happens in University Heights and sorrounding West Bronx areas and things like these have not happened this year and rarely occur. I haven't heard shots fired in my block for over a year, before it was common occurence. As long as Mott Haven and others have all these projects in their neighborhood, they will always be the worst part of the Bronx. This will never change. Unless of course you move the projects from the project rich south Bronx, to the project deprived west Bronx.

Mott Haven is still a really bad neighborhood. As is Concourse, Melrose, Morrisania and Hunts Point.

I strongly disagree. If you get rid of the projects, you will still have all the Section 8 apartments, which are far worse. You have to make below $23,000 to qualify for Section 8. The projects have people making $50,000 a year. And the projects are very strict, we have inspections all the time, strict rules, and a one strike your out and banned Forever rule.

Of course theres crime in the projects, but what would replace these buildings once torn down? We both know it would be Section 8 and maybe some more expensive $2,000 a month homeless shelters, since housing is a constitutionally mandated right here in New York. If you kick these people out, and New York City doesnt find a place to put them within 24 hours, they will be getting a nice check equal to $150 a night without adequate shelter.

Section 8 has no such rules. So of course when people get kicked out of the projects, they go straight to Section 8 where they're not required to work, dont have to do community service, where they are even more poor and concentrated, and where all the drug convicted tend to migrate. The projects are overwhelmingly for working individuals and families. Just look at the application, they have the preference. Homeless and Welfare recipients are pushed into what was called EARP? A city version of Section 8.

[SobroGuy]

Desi I would agree with what you are saying. I think the projects TODAY are MUCH BETTER than the old dense tenement neighborhoods of the central Bronx, like University Heights, Fordham, Mount Hope, Tremont, etc. The city has 100% access to the housing projects, do regular patrols inside and outside of the buildigns 24 hours a day, and the city NOW has the housing projects on lockdown, whereas the old Tenement buildings are just crumbling clusters of section 8 housing that are privately owned by random LLs who typically don't care about the buildings, the community, etc. THe police do not have access to these buildings at all as they are privately owned. TODAY the housing projects are better than the old tenements, plus they have lots of green areas, trees, and open space that make them quite nice, as opposed to the dense tenements that are literally crumbling.

[SobroGuy]

Furthermore there is the immense amount of investment, in the multibillions, that continue to funnel into the area repositioning it to a working/middle class enclave, with the amenities and infrastructure to support it. Do areas like the South Bronx still have serious problems..heck yeah..but the issue is...IS IT BETTER and SAFER? The answer is YES, and it is getting safer. I think the South Bronx's future is set, and will be a more dynamic, working/middle class community that is tied to Manhattan moreso than the Bronx, but what is the future of the central Bronx? I think the city needs to stop patting itself on the back about the South Bronx and step up now on the central Bronx....because of the changes in the South Bronx the central Bronx is now becoming the new "South Bronx".....

[KRS88]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Nope. The south Bronx continues to be one of the worst part of the city.

4/16/09:

Shooting | 340 Alexander Ave X E 141st St Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 5:47 p.m.


Shooting | 3 Ave & 143 St Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 5:37 p.m.


Shooting | Grand Concourse & 161 St Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 1:39 p.m.


Shooting | 851 Grand Concourse Bronx, NY | 4/16/2009 12:52 p.m.

Contribute: Gothamist

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Im sorry but that is just out of control. Shots were fired all over the south Bronx today. Im in touch with everything that happens in University Heights and sorrounding West Bronx areas and things like these have not happened this year and rarely occur. I haven't heard shots fired in my block for over a year, before it was common occurence. As long as Mott Haven and others have all these projects in their neighborhood, they will always be the worst part of the Bronx. This will never change. Unless of course you move the projects from the project rich south Bronx, to the project deprived west Bronx.

Mott Haven is still a really bad neighborhood. As is Concourse, Melrose, Morrisania and Hunts Point.

Wow I stand corrected...............4 shootings!!!! thats 1990 type violence.

[KRS88]

Originally Posted by SobroGuy

Furthermore there is the immense amount of investment, in the multibillions, that continue to funnel into the area repositioning it to a working/middle class enclave, with the amenities and infrastructure to support it. Do areas like the South Bronx still have serious problems..heck yeah..but the issue is...IS IT BETTER and SAFER? The answer is YES, and it is getting safer. I think the South Bronx's future is set, and will be a more dynamic, working/middle class community that is tied to Manhattan moreso than the Bronx, but what is the future of the central Bronx? I think the city needs to stop patting itself on the back about the South Bronx and step up now on the central Bronx....because of the changes in the South Bronx the central Bronx is now becoming the new "South Bronx".....

I dont think 4 shootings a day is getting better thats 1990 type violence.