Is the hostility towards New Yorkers justified? (low crime, neighborhood)

[nycricanpapi]

Originally Posted by LongIslandCitizen

I am a New Yorker and have lived in many places throughout the U.S because of my Military career. You have to understand the mindset of many people across the country. People view New Yorkers as part of the problem and not part of the solution. Contrary to popular belief New York is responsible for electing that carpet bagger Hillary Clinton. Most of the country was stunned. In addition New York is very very blue. Anti-gun laws , High cigarette tax, many obama supporters , very liberal laws, high taxes, high real estate etc.

New Yorkers are viewed as very arrogant. Very rude. very overbearing , etc. Most of the country...of course I'll leave out California...I'm specifically speaking about the south, southwest, and middle America are more polite. It isn't hard to spot a New Yorker. New Yorkers are more confrontational. A New Yorker, and again , not all think it is weird to say hello to a stranger.

New York is actually way behind most of the other Major Metropolitan areas in the U.S. I know this is sacrilege to say but there are other places where fashion, technology, and science are way ahead. Lets face it... the suffocating taxes of this state have chased away a lot of industry and have made New York as a whole an archaic, stuffy place.

Lets take Dallas/ Ft.Worth Texas for instance. Their structures are fresh and new, their nightlife is hot. That whole area consist of three major cities in one area surrounded by sub cities called the metroplex. All of their sports arenas whether it be football, baseball, hockey, or basketball are within minutes from anywhere and tickets are always available. I am a Giants fan but look at Jerry Jones new Dallas Cowboys stadium in Arlington...Puts the new Meadowlands stadium to shame. Look at their Ballpark...the Yankees is embarrassing. Their Technology is phenomenal.. Their Police Dept's are equipped with state of the art mobile computers, videos, radars, GPS, Traffic control systems, and weapons systems.They have had these systems since the early nineties..New York has been slowly getting them since 2003 or so. Their nightlife is vibrant and there is plenty to do. Everything is accessible via modern highways. That area is a melting pot for professionals from all over the country.And many of the people there look good. And their accents rock.

Now a New Yorker still views Texas as cowboyish, desert, backwoods, and tumbleweeds. I understand that many New Yorkers have never left the state and stereotype lots of different places but that is what gives us a brash reputation. People actually want to like New Yorkers but it doesn't take long for one to put their foot in their mouths. A New Yorker can be rightfully proud just like a Texan can but you have to be a diplomat and represent this state.

In my opinion New Yorkers believe in a lot of things other parts don't. Liberal views are not welcome in a lot of places. A majority of the U.S feel New Yorkers are a threat to the constitution. I know that is probably an offensive comment, It is a strong comment but I have heard it over and over again. New York is very PC orientated and support lifestyles other places don't.

I really don't think Pennsylvania is in a position to get into a contest with New Yorkers...They have Philadelphia and that place is a mess. They need to clean up there own backyard before they point fingers.

Anyway much of what I wrote will be contested, I don't care because the premise of this thread was is hostility justified. While no hostility is justified toward anyone I am pointing out some key reasons that I heard while hanging out and becoming friends with the natives because I was myself. I will say though that women are very friendly towards New York men that present themselves well, lots of fun and more attractive...when I got back here I thought I was in prudeville, many girls were bland and very pale. Even unattractive girls were rude and arrogant . Must be something in the water. Just like cars..over here they age real fast but head west and 20 year old cars are still pristine.

You know that you make me laugh when you say "New York is actually way behind most of the other Major Metropolitan areas in the U.S. I know this is sacrilege to say but there are other places where fashion, technology, and science are way ahead." It seems that you have not come to the NYC. How can you say that NY is behind in fashion? NYC is one of the city where you can find fashion. Why do you think everybody is into fashion in NYC? Why do you think many people come to NYC to buy their clothes? Doesn't that tells you something?

[justfarr1030]

I'm a newyorker but lived in many other places.

Sorry but most of the stereotypes are VERY true. That's just how it is.

Avg NYer = Rude, arrogant, cocky, thinks his clothes can't be found in any other place except NY, wants special treatment because he's from NY, has to go to another persons city/town/state and talk down and compare everything to "what it would be if we were in NY (ie: "Yo son, it's maad wack out here. The club closes at 2? *smacks teeth* Yo son, if we was in NY it would be open till 5." ...??lol?? wtf), thinks he's especially tough because "I'm from NY son", overly aggressive for no reason and has to remind himself and everyone else CONSTANTLY who is around him that he's from NY.

..^...Yep, that basically sums up that avg NYer.

[SilkCity0416]

Originally Posted by nycricanpapi

You know that you make me laugh when you say "New York is actually way behind most of the other Major Metropolitan areas in the U.S. I know this is sacrilege to say but there are other places where fashion, technology, and science are way ahead." It seems that you have not come to the NYC. How can you say that NY is behind in fashion? NYC is one of the city where you can find fashion. Why do you think everybody is into fashion in NYC? Why do you think many people come to NYC to buy their clothes? Doesn't that tells you something?

Say, what you want, but he is speaking the truth. NYers can across as rude, arrogant, and overbearing. The NYC metro is lagging behind other metros when it comes to infastucture, job creation, and technology.

Example: We living in a Metro that consists of 3 states, and a 4th ( PA ) as an exoburb. Yet, we tend treat these out of state areas ( especially New Jersey ), as a place that is beneath us ( arrogance ).

We fail to realize that these out of state areas like NJ, CT, and PA, are essential to keeping this metro area on top.

In other Tri-State metros, like Chiacago, Phil, Cincinatti, etc, one wouldn't see this type of divisivness-either between the citizens of the politicians.

[Otis_Nevins]

Originally Posted by mattjd

It would be like having thousands of Southerners move into Chelsea and start asking people where the nearest shooting range is.

The nearest public shooting range is on 20th and 6th. Meaning: it's next to Chelsea. There is even a Pink Pistols club in the area.

New York City has everything for everybody. and the more New Yorkers know about their own city, the more apt they are to learn about the rest of the country. Although that's not even fair because the "hip" New Yorkers like to travel and thus learn about the world.

My experience is that the folks who look for cheaper places that mimic the city are themselves not from Manhattan originally. They're also looking for things that perhaps they don't look for in Manhattan or they think are here and thus contribute to the "hipness."

What Manhattan (and parts of Brooklyn) have is a pleasant tolerance. People generally mind their own business and as long as you're not hurting *me* I don't care or pass judgment. Most of the New York City isn't balkanized and that contributes in a large part to the attitude. We're rough around the edges, but hey, as long as we make money, who cares...?

Other big cities and their suburbs are segregated, largely by race (I'm not saying this is good, it's the way these places have developed). Examples: Baltimore, Washington, D.C., Richmond, Chicago, Omaha, Memphis, Kansas City, MO, even Boston and suburban Maryland, etc. To a Manhattanite, this is strange and kind of disappointing. To someone from Westchester County, or Long Island, etc., it would be somewhat normal.

Manhattanites who "don't get it" - meaning: behave yourself, you're not in the City right now - and visit just about everywhere else in the US (with the exception of San Francisco and possibly Miami), will complain and comment on the backwardness of whichever city they're in. Thus, who the heck is this New Yorker telling us how to live, New Yorkers litter, after all... And so on.

These "backwards" places, especially rural communities, breath better air than New York City dwellers. They have more elbow room at the grocery store, don't have traffic jams (DC's traffic is worse); don't have the amount of crime; etc. Then again, if you're looking for crime, it's easy to find anywhere.

[LongIslandCitizen]

Originally Posted by nycricanpapi

You know that you make me laugh when you say "New York is actually way behind most of the other Major Metropolitan areas in the U.S. I know this is sacrilege to say but there are other places where fashion, technology, and science are way ahead." It seems that you have not come to the NYC. How can you say that NY is behind in fashion? NYC is one of the city where you can find fashion. Why do you think everybody is into fashion in NYC? Why do you think many people come to NYC to buy their clothes? Doesn't that tells you something?

I guess I was incorrect to assume that my screen name gave my opinion some weight since I live minutes from the city and was born in Manhattan. There may have been a day way back where NY held the title of fashion capital of the U.S but I can assure you that it is no longer true.

[nycricanpapi]

Originally Posted by LongIslandCitizen

I guess I was incorrect to assume that my screen name gave my opinion some weight since I live minutes from the city and was born in Manhattan. There may have been a day way back where NY held the title of fashion capital of the U.S but I can assure you that it is no longer true.

How can you assure me that is no longer true? Do you have proof. I have proof that New York City is still the fashion capital.

Planet Marie Claire: New York, Fashion Capital of the World!!

The Big Apple: Fashion Avenue; Fashion Capital of the World

NYC Fashion Info - NYCFashionInfo.com: The Fashion Capital

Lastly, the top fashion capitals are New York, Paris, London, Milan

[nycricanpapi]

Originally Posted by SilkCity0416

Say, what you want, but he is speaking the truth. NYers can across as rude, arrogant, and overbearing. The NYC metro is lagging behind other metros when it comes to infastucture, job creation, and technology.

Example: We living in a Metro that consists of 3 states, and a 4th ( PA ) as an exoburb. Yet, we tend treat these out of state areas ( especially New Jersey ), as a place that is beneath us ( arrogance ).

We fail to realize that these out of state areas like NJ, CT, and PA, are essential to keeping this metro area on top.

In other Tri-State metros, like Chiacago, Phil, Cincinatti, etc, one wouldn't see this type of divisivness-either between the citizens of the politicians.

Lol I am not arguing on that. I know that New Yorkers are rude. I was just saying that NY is stil the fashion capital.

[analyticalkeys]

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

I'm a newyorker but lived in many other places.

Sorry but most of the stereotypes are VERY true. That's just how it is.

Avg NYer = Rude, arrogant, cocky, thinks his clothes can't be found in any other place except NY, wants special treatment because he's from NY, has to go to another persons city/town/state and talk down and compare everything to "what it would be if we were in NY (ie: "Yo son, it's maad wack out here. The club closes at 2? *smacks teeth* Yo son, if we was in NY it would be open till 5." ...??lol?? wtf), thinks he's especially tough because "I'm from NY son", overly aggressive for no reason and has to remind himself and everyone else CONSTANTLY who is around him that he's from NY.

..^...Yep, that basically sums up that avg NYer.

Umm.. no. You must've been hanging with the wrong crowd.

[Lionsdale]

I have my own theory about the so called East Coast attitude.

Honestly, feel free to call me out, because its not exactly a published paper or anything, but Behavioral Science was one of my best subjects in Medicine, and I have lived here a few years..

I don't believe its an East Coast attiude at all. Truly, I believe with this many people packed into a sardine like conditions (Subways, 1930s built roadways), theres a lot of anger built up in each and every one of us. And i think its nothing more than a matter of Displacement.
Displacing one anger on one another, every day, for the most part.

Take driving within one block of your house, on a residential street for instance. Honks at the first opportunity from behind...

[omigawd]

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

compare everything to "what it would be if we were in NY (ie: "Yo son, it's maad wack out here. The club closes at 2? *smacks teeth* Yo son, if we was in NY it would be open till 5." ...??lol?? wtf), thinks he's especially tough because "I'm from NY son", overly aggressive for no reason and has to remind himself and everyone else CONSTANTLY who is around him that he's from NY.

..^...Yep, that basically sums up that avg NYer.

I don't know what crowd or what ghetto you've been hanging out in, but I don't know anyone who speaks like that. Sounds more like an ignorant, uneducated, ghetto-dwelling bum than an average NY-er.