Is the hostility towards New Yorkers justified? (military, moving)

[makossa]

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

I'm a newyorker but lived in many other places.

Sorry but most of the stereotypes are VERY true. That's just how it is.

Avg NYer = Rude, arrogant, cocky, thinks his clothes can't be found in any other place except NY, wants special treatment because he's from NY, has to go to another persons city/town/state and talk down and compare everything to "what it would be if we were in NY (ie: "Yo son, it's maad wack out here. The club closes at 2? *smacks teeth* Yo son, if we was in NY it would be open till 5." ...??lol?? wtf), thinks he's especially tough because "I'm from NY son", overly aggressive for no reason and has to remind himself and everyone else CONSTANTLY who is around him that he's from NY.

..^...Yep, that basically sums up that avg NYer.

I'm sure that there are many like this but the avg. NY'er??? I don't think so. That, which you have described sounds more like someone with insecurity and self esteem issues!!!

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by omigawd

I don't know what crowd or what ghetto you've been hanging out in, but I don't know anyone who speaks like that. Sounds more like an ignorant, uneducated, ghetto-dwelling bum than an average NY-er.

Originally Posted by analyticalkeys

Umm.. no. You must've been hanging with the wrong crowd.

Maybe not all nyers TALK like that but they mostly all act that way in some way shape or form...slang is irrelevant.

IMO...and personal experience (which is over 20 years).

[gv0928]

I think the hostility mostly stems from a total misrepresentation of New York in the media. People seem to be caught up with the days where New York was filled with crime. I constantly meet people who seem to think that everyone in New York is dodging bullets and robbing one another. (I'm exaggerating, of course, but you get my point.) It's always tough for them to understand when I tell them that New York is one of the safest cities - if not the safest big city - in the country. People just don't understand.

And I guess I can understand feathers being ruffled when New Yorkers go elsewhere and compare things to what they are in the city. But, it's ridiculous to pretend that this is anything other than normal, because anywhere one goes, s/he will compare that location to home.

It's all just stupidity, all around. Quite honestly, anyone who is concerned with perpetuating stereotypes is just an idiot.

[omigawd]

Originally Posted by justfarr1030

Maybe not all nyers TALK like that but they mostly all act that way in some way shape or form...slang is irrelevant.

IMO...and personal experience (which is over 20 years).

If you're talking about people saying "well, in NY, it would be ____".... don't ALL people do that??? Not just NY-ers. I've heard people use this no matter where they're from "oh, in ______, we wouldn't do it that way" or ""back home, we have much cleaner/better/less expensive/more fun _________" or "in my country......"..... and on and on.....

Keep in mind, people always compare with "what used to be", whether it be a job, a place or whatever. It always seems better than the here and now.

[cityboy2]

Originally Posted by omigawd

If you're talking about people saying "well, in NY, it would be ____".... don't ALL people do that??? Not just NY-ers. I've heard people use this no matter where they're from "oh, in ______, we wouldn't do it that way" or ""back home, we have much cleaner/better/less expensive/more fun _________" or "in my country......"..... and on and on.....

Keep in mind, people always compare with "what used to be", whether it be a job, a place or whatever. It always seems better than the here and now.

I couldn't DISagree with you more. I know many people from other cities/countries who rarely compare where they live to other places. It's definitely more of a NYC thing.. and American (in general).

[analyticalkeys]

Originally Posted by cityboy2

I couldn't DISagree with you more. I know many people from other cities/countries who rarely compare where they live to other places. It's definitely more of a NYC thing.. and American (in general).

Nope, I'd say it's about even, it just depends on your experience. There's plenty of people who come from the west/south and compare the lack of cold weather there to what we have there. Then there's people who go to our beaches and say that they're not as good as back home. It happens with everyone... NYers aren't the only ones, maybe you just notice us more, because we have a larger population than most of the other places.

[cityboy2]

Originally Posted by analyticalkeys

Nope, I'd say it's about even, it just depends on your experience. There's plenty of people who come from the west/south and compare the lack of cold weather there to what we have there. Then there's people who go to our beaches and say that they're not as good as back home. It happens with everyone... NYers aren't the only ones, maybe you just notice us more, because we have a larger population than most of the other places.

That's possible. I'm just going from my own travel experience to other destinations and noticed that it's generally an American who likes to start the debate with someone from another country on whose city/country is better. I also spoke to my tour guide (from NZ) and she also commented on how this tends to be an "American" thing. On the other hand, I met some incredibly nice Americans on my travels. None of them were NY'ers though.

[Chava61]

NYers from the city are considered very friendly.

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by omigawd

If you're talking about people saying "well, in NY, it would be ____".... don't ALL people do that??? Not just NY-ers. I've heard people use this no matter where they're from "oh, in ______, we wouldn't do it that way" or ""back home, we have much cleaner/better/less expensive/more fun _________" or "in my country......"..... and on and on.....

Keep in mind, people always compare with "what used to be", whether it be a job, a place or whatever. It always seems better than the here and now.

Of course to SOME extent. But NYers more so than ANY other people in this country always have to find some way to incorporate NY into conversation CONSTANTLY. After a day hanging out with a NYer it's like "OK, SHUTUP ALREADY, WE KNOW YOU'RE FROM NY!!" LOL. Listen it's not even anything to debate. Most NYers are ALWAYS going to disagree and be on the defensive when they hear about their true selves from out of towners. But we all collectively made our bed, so lie in it.

Most NYers (beside the transplant population) do not travel around alot (IMO and experience) besides going to Jersey (Alantic City) or Connecticut so their ignorance precedes them. It's funny how The South and Mid West are suppose to be where all the "ignorant" Americans are, however IN MY LIFE I have heard the most ignorant comments from NYers. This seems to hold true of the MAJORITY of NYers (and the other things I said). I am one myself however I moved around some when I was young and then the military experience added, I have seen quite alot at my age (which I'm glad because that makes me different from the avg NYer). I'm not trying to so called "hate" on NY, I love it here. Greatest most unique city in the country (and probably the world). But we are hard for people to put up with, SORRY.

[justfarr1030]

Originally Posted by gv0928

I think the hostility mostly stems from a total misrepresentation of New York in the media. People seem to be caught up with the days where New York was filled with crime. I constantly meet people who seem to think that everyone in New York is dodging bullets and robbing one another. (I'm exaggerating, of course, but you get my point.) It's always tough for them to understand when I tell them that New York is one of the safest cities - if not the safest big city - in the country. People just don't understand.

And I guess I can understand feathers being ruffled when New Yorkers go elsewhere and compare things to what they are in the city. But, it's ridiculous to pretend that this is anything other than normal, because anywhere one goes, s/he will compare that location to home.

It's all just stupidity, all around. Quite honestly, anyone who is concerned with perpetuating stereotypes is just an idiot.

NY has some of the most dilapidated, hight crime filled neighborhoods in the country EVEN NOW. They have a legit beef. We might not be the worst, I mean even in "the dark days" we were never #1 for crime or murder in the US. But this is no playground as Bloomberg and Ray Kelly would have you believe. If we're going by statistics, some neighborhoods here are WORSE THAN THE 90s. But I don't believe in Compstat. I let my personal experiences with a neighborhood as well as input from the locals in a particular area tell me how high/low crime it is.

For the recrod, let's not turn this into a "NY Crime" thread. We have one of those already. I was just responding to your assertion that out of towners/new commers are wrong for being highly concerned for NYC crime.