Nypd (New York, York, Edwards: crimes, house, gated)

[bluedog2]

Originally Posted by NYC1DAY

The people on this site talk a lot of crap.

I would love to see these people get a call to go into Brownsville or ENY at 4:00 a.m. and report to a robbery call or be the first on a murder scene.

They would crap themselves and would quit day one

I know...especially if it was to a bad project on a 90 degree summer night with a mob out on the street....knowing that they all had guns too,probably bigger than your little service revolver.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by NYC1DAY

The people on this site talk a lot of crap.

I would love to see these people get a call to go into Brownsville or ENY at 4:00 a.m. and report to a robbery call or be the first on a murder scene.

They would crap themselves and would quit day one. By the way, you would be doing that for 43,000 a year

Do you actually think that they're going to send someone currently enrolled at the Academy out to Brownsville or ENY at 4 am and report to a robbery call or be the first on a murder scene? You don't think they might send with, oh I don't know, experience? If the NYPD is willing to do this, then yea, it is completely ridiculous. However, I'll place my bets that it's not going to be the rookies being thrown into the fire--though maybe I'm being optimistic here. Would I ask people to do it for 40K? Probably not. How about 90K and above along with a month's worth of vacation, medical, dental, a decent retirement plan, and a job with some variety. Maybe. Does it beat the hell out of a lot of other NYC professions? Yes. Would I be fine with the package being even better? Sure!

As for teachers, I definitely don't believe they get paid enough. I've taught and tutored before, and it's no cakewalk--I'd imagine teaching rowdy city kids would be near hellacious. And as I recall, it's often a rather lonely job as the support network for teachers, are for the most part, nonexistent while the responsibilities are immense.

[bluedog2]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

Do you actually think that they're going to send someone currently enrolled at the Academy out to Brownsville or ENY at 4 am and report to a robbery call or be the first on a murder scene? You don't think they might send with, oh I don't know, experience? If the NYPD is willing to do this, then yea, it is completely ridiculous. However, I'll place my bets that it's not going to be the rookies being thrown into the fire--though maybe I'm being optimistic here. Would I ask people to do it for 40K? Probably not. How about 90K and above along with a month's worth of vacation, medical, dental, a decent retirement plan, and a job with some variety. Maybe. Does it beat the hell out of a lot of other NYC professions? Yes. Would I be fine with the package being even better? Sure!

As for teachers, I definitely don't believe they get paid enough. I've taught and tutored before, and it's no cakewalk--I'd imagine teaching rowdy city kids would be near hellacious. And as I recall, it's often a rather lonely job as the support network for teachers, are for the most part, nonexistent while the responsibilities are immense.

I think you are being too optimistic.Virtually all of the rookie teachers wind up in the worst schools in the worst sections of the city and it is pretty much sink or swim from day one.That is why the teacher drop out rate is so incredibly high.20% don't even complete the first year,50% don't make it to 5 years.And those are city wide figures...they are much higher in problem areas.

I see no reason to think they assign any differently in the NYPD.Most of the long time survivors use their seniority to transfer to a "better" district or leave the city entirely for the suburbs where the pay is much more.

So, yes... I bet the rookies get thrown into the fire all the time.I watch it happen in the schools every year.Hell,it happened to me.It was pretty scary believe me.

Actually,now that I am thinking about it,it is still pretty scary sometimes!

[009]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

Do you actually think that they're going to send someone currently enrolled at the Academy out to Brownsville or ENY at 4 am and report to a robbery call or be the first on a murder scene? You don't think they might send with, oh I don't know, experience? If the NYPD is willing to do this, then yea, it is completely ridiculous.

They do. It's part of their strategy known as "Operation Impact". "Impact" precients usually receive officers straight out of the academy and place them to patrol high crime neighborhoods, housing projects and train stations. I believe it's only for their probationary period. After that, they can go to another precient.

Here's an old Daily News article on the topic: Cops hit hot spots though city is safe

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by 009

They do. It's part of their strategy known as "Operation Impact". "Impact" precients usually receive officers straight out of the academy and place them straight to patrol high crime neighborhoods, housing projects and train stations. I believe it's only for their probationary period. After that, they can go to another precient.

Here's an old Daily News article on the topic: Cops hit hot spots though city is safe

Ack, in that case, then no. I understand the preempting any crime by having a massive presence, but using rookies in a trial by fire doesn't stand out as a great idea. My bad.

[GDK94]

i thought 'operation impact' was ending because there aren't enough recruits to staff it? any truth to this?

[Pookie Jenkins]

Originally Posted by akatrk

No, Pookie, I don't think it's funny that a young man lost his life. Black, White, Hispanic, etc. Neither should you.

I don't think and never said the cops lost life is funny. what's funny is you trying to make somebody who's willing to shoot a gun six times at somebody (including once in the back) while not being shot at look like a hero or an innocent angel.

As far as split second decisions go, can you see yourself trying to make the same decision? Not many people can nor want to. I'm not saying that YOU are not capable of making those decisions but I also know that YOU are not exempt from making those same mistakes that those officers made as well.

Bottom line, their "mistakes" keep happening over and over and it's the same pattern: white cop shoots black/spanish cop or unarmed black/spanish civilian. that's my point. The black cop in Mount Vernon, the Spanish traffic cop, the mentally disturbed guy months ago, Sean Bell etc. It's a pattern, and it's going to happen again.

I honestly do not think those officers started out on patrol that night where they huddled up and laid out a plan to kill a man.

I never said and don't believe the officers started a patrol with a plan to kill a man but you're not in touch with the reality if you think they're not a bunch of trigger happy bullys who think every person of color in the hood is a potential treat. Most of the white cops that patrol in the hood live in Long Island and are completly detached culturally from the neighborhoods they supposedly serve & protect. It's a combination of fear & ignorance that causes messes like this, not simple mistakes.

If there was some wrong that was done by the officers that were on duty that night, then by all means, punishment is appropriate and should be carried out. I also believe that other than Al Sharpton, the NYPD Internal Affairs Bureau, or for that matter YOU, there should be someone else to conduct the investigation on how or why this seems to be a problem.

Don't you get it? There won't be any real justice served or redeeming change in police policy regardless of if there was wrongdoing or not. Look @ what happened with the Mount Vernon cop just last year.

[akatrk]

For those who are interested, here are the funeral arrangements for Officer Omar Edwards.

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Date: Tuesday June 2, 2009 & Wednesday June 3
Time: Tuesday from 4:00 pm to 8:00 pm
Wednesday from 2:00 pm to 8:00 pm

Location: Woodward Funeral Home
1 Troy Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11213

Funeral Details

Date: June 4, 2009
Time: 10:00 am

Location: The Church of Our Lady of Victory
583 Throop Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11216

[LIMAMA4]

Then there is the plainclothes cop. 4 yrs on the PD is not enough time, IMHO, for cops to be assigned to plainclothes assignments. Maybe a more experienced cop sizes up the situation differently and correctly id's the off-duty as a cop. Or maybe not. Either way they put these young cops into plainclothes assignments too early. You should haveto do 5 yrs min. in uniform patrol before bng trained and assigned to plainclothes units. Again, IMO.

You are right. Young inexperienced officers are being given assignments that should be relegated to more experienced cops. The problem is that the experienced cops are leaving the NYPD in droves either through retirement or getting better jobs in other jurisdictions.

[goldengrain]

More of my 2 cents.

I have heard that this shooting is from the 'Anti-Crime' unit.
They have a reptutaion of being trigger happy. Even some other police are complaining that they are getting a bad name from these yahoos.
Perhaps something should be done about this one group, in particular.

Next, most black people are not supporting crime by protesting against the police.
The truth is, that the NY police, from decades ago, earned the reputation that gives them this response among the public.
Once you get this sort of reputation, it takes at least the same length of time with meticulous behavior to convince folks that you are on their side and are honestly trying to keep their neighborhoods safe.

Not talk, but action. Visable proof that things have changed.

Did the cop who fired warn him to stop and identify himself as a cop? Did he yell to drop the weapon?

Are there not non-lethal weapons that could have been fired? Geeze, they use tranquilizer darts on animals.
Has the training of this repeat offending unit changed over time to try to prevent this sort of thing?

One thing in their favor is that, unlike the DiAllo(sp.) case, they did not all pitch in to kill their fellow officer. Why not?

What ever happened to the color of the day? Could there be a word of the day? I mean, I can see a scenerio in which a gang member, seeing a buddy being chased by a cop would yell, 'Police! Drop the weapon!' just to allow his fellow gang member to get away. If the cops had a word that changed daily at least the cop in pursuit would know they were fellow officers.

That only one of the three officers fired speaks, to me, of better training and that it was probably not intentional.

Were there two officers out of the car and one within? How did they catch 'Miguel'(the guy breaking into the dead cop's car, the one who started this whole thing)? If a death results in the commission of a crime is the perp charged with murder? Is Miguel going to be charged with murder?

Why was the killed cop chasing a guy with his gun out?

Only a very fair and open trial and airing of the situation will do, obviously.

The initial robbery precipitated the death and I hope the book is thrown at our 'Miguel'.
The second thing that precipitated the death is that the persuing/deceased officer had his gun drawn, which may speak to poor training.