Are middle class residents being pushed out of NYC? (Stuyvesant: apartments, lawyer) - City-Data Forum

dhanu86 · 06-02-2009, 09:45 PM

Maybe I'm a bit off but it seems like many people are relocating from Brooklyn and Manhattan to areas that aren't necessarily better to live.

For decades population has been shifting from rural to cities for work and career opportunities. Is this post-industrial/recession + high cost of living and competitiveness causing people to move out?

GDK94 · 06-02-2009, 10:41 PM

no, the middle class aren't being pushed out, but they are packing up and moving for a better life in the Sunbelt. in 2006 (when the last census was out) alone, nyc lost 150,000 middle class residents and in 2008 brooklyn declined in Pop. by 4.8%, queens by 4% and the bronx by 1.3%. so yea, its definitely a problem, but you'll find many new yorkers denying it.

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Is this post-industrial/recession + high cost of living and competitiveness causing people to move out?

yes, that pretty much summed up why their leaving right there. except for the recession part. before this recession even began, the middle class were already packing their bags.

analyticalkeys · 06-03-2009, 04:23 AM

No, I still live here.

jigglypuff · 06-03-2009, 06:51 AM

of course it is a quick look at home prices and its not hard to see why. for example, could a teacher who makes $50k a year buy a home in nyc? only if 1- she was married to a doctor/lawyer type who made at least 2x that or 2- she was willing to buy the crappiest studio in the crappiest part of town and spend upwards of 40% after tax income on mortgage.

StrugglingMusician91 · 06-03-2009, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GDK94

no, the middle class aren't being pushed out, but they are packing up and moving for a better life in the Sunbelt. in 2006 (when the last census was out) alone, nyc lost 150,000 middle class residents and in 2008 brooklyn declined in Pop. by 4.8%, queens by 4% and the bronx by 1.3%. so yea, its definitely a problem, but you'll find many new yorkers denying it.

yes, that pretty much summed up why their leaving right there. except for the recession part. before this recession even began, the middle class were already packing their bags.

how can you say they arn't being pushed out. There are no neighborhoods for the middle class anymore. Perfect example. Stuyvesant Town. Middle class housing turned expensive luxury apartments. The majority of all new housing with exceptions of projects in the bronx is not for middle class but for very wealthy.

john_starks · 06-03-2009, 07:41 AM

i would think the middle class are close to non-existent in manhattan. unless they are happy living in a 500 sq ft apt. but a lot of the cats i know are making a good chunk of change and living in 750 sq ft apts...

analyticalkeys · 06-03-2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jigglypuff

of course it is a quick look at home prices and its not hard to see why. for example, could a teacher who makes $50k a year buy a home in nyc? only if 1- she was married to a doctor/lawyer type who made at least 2x that or 2- she was willing to buy the crappiest studio in the crappiest part of town and spend upwards of 40% after tax income on mortgage.

Or how about no. There's A LOT of teachers like this that live in NYC... without the help of a spouse, and not living in bad areas either.

analyticalkeys · 06-03-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by StrugglingMusician91

how can you say they arn't being pushed out. There are no neighborhoods for the middle class anymore. Perfect example. Stuyvesant Town. Middle class housing turned expensive luxury apartments. The majority of all new housing with exceptions of projects in the bronx is not for middle class but for very wealthy.

We can make a case right now for the lower class being pushed out... I think the middle class is still hanging in there.

dhanu86 · 06-03-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GDK94

no, the middle class aren't being pushed out, but they are packing up and moving for a better life in the Sunbelt. in 2006 (when the last census was out) alone, nyc lost 150,000 middle class residents and in 2008 brooklyn declined in Pop. by 4.8%, queens by 4% and the bronx by 1.3%. so yea, its definitely a problem, but you'll find many new yorkers denying it.

yes, that pretty much summed up why their leaving right there. except for the recession part. before this recession even began, the middle class were already packing their bags.

Obviously there has to always be a middle class so maybe we need to get more specific. Those declining percentages are interesting because if you look at 2000 compared to 2006 I think it was, all boroughs had a healthy population growth. So the population exchange is probably lower-middle class out and mid-upper middle class in including some yuppies and professionals from more dried up areas of the country. Not sure about immigration, I imagine that works both ways.

Mr.Triny33 · 06-03-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by StrugglingMusician91

how can you say they arn't being pushed out. There are no neighborhoods for the middle class anymore. Perfect example. Stuyvesant Town. Middle class housing turned expensive luxury apartments. The majority of all new housing with exceptions of projects in the bronx is not for middle class but for very wealthy.

What part of the Bronx is this, the Developments in the South Bronx are being geared towards Middle/Working Class individuals/families.