Will the subway ever be expanded? (and a depressing 1939 expansion map)

[219]

What a great 1939 subway map.

The Second Avenue Subway will begin as a shuttle (Phase 1) stopping at 96,86 and 72 Streets. With the Q (Broadway Express) will be extended to the Lexington Avenue-63 Street subway station (F 6 Avenue Local) before it connects to the Shuttle line at 72 Street. The Q will be extended to 96 Street-2 Avenue.
Phase 2, the Second Avenue Subway will extend north to 106, 116 Streets on 2 Avenue. At 125 the SAS will curve stopping at Park Avenue-125 Street, connecting with the current 4,5,6 (Lexington Avenue lines.)
I doubt the SAS will ever be built, the M15 Select Bus Service+ should make the stops as proposed SAS stops on 1 and 2 Avenues.

[scatman]

Originally Posted by 219

I doubt the SAS will ever be built, the M15 Select Bus Service+ should make the stops as proposed SAS stops on 1 and 2 Avenues.

The late professor Dick Netzer proposed that a light-rail run along Second Avenue, as an alternative to the SAS. The thought was that while it's not necessarily the subway, it was better than the M15 AND it was a much less costly endeavor than the subway.

Personally, I like the light rail, especially along the outer boroughs:

1. Flatbush Avenue, from Nostrand to Kings Plaza
2. Archer Avenue, from Jamaica Station to the Queens-LI border
3. Tremont Avenue, from Westchester Square to the Southeastern tip of the Bronx.

[009]

Originally Posted by oso_te_great

Queens Blvd. Line
Astoria Line
Flushing Line
And the Nassau line

Am I missing any? Just curious

Isn't there a line that provides service to both Ozone Park and the Rockaways?

Originally Posted by 219

The Second Avenue Subway will begin as a shuttle (Phase 1) stopping at 96,86 and 72 Streets...

"Phase One subway service, which is expected to begin in 2015 and is projected to carry nearly 200,000 weekday riders, will be an extension of the existing Q train service to 96th Street and 2nd Avenue."

No Shuttle.

[Fred314X]

There's also a proposal for a light rail line to run as a circle in lower Manhattan. That one actually has a chance to happen.

[scatman]

Originally Posted by Fred314X

There's also a proposal for a light rail line to run as a circle in lower Manhattan. That one actually has a chance to happen.

Did not know that. Good idea. As for outter borough avenues I listed, I think a light rail can meet two goals:

1. Give passengers better and faster transportation than the buses:
a. B41 on Flatbush
b. Q44 on Archer, or any bus along that line
c. BX40, 42 along E. Tremont Ave.

2. With a light rail, the MTA can conquer its archrival, the dollar van!

[analyticalkeys]

Originally Posted by Fred314X

There's also a proposal for a light rail line to run as a circle in lower Manhattan. That one actually has a chance to happen.

Really? Where is there space for this to happen?

[Fred314X]

There's plenty of space--it would be a ring line along Fulton Street east-to-west, and south to the Ferry terminal. The key is that the streets on which the light rail is to be constructed would be banned to cars. (And let's face it: anyone who's driving around in the financial district needs to have their head examined in the first place! Keeping cars off a few of those streets can only be a good thing).

[analyticalkeys]

Originally Posted by Fred314X

There's plenty of space--it would be a ring line along Fulton Street east-to-west, and south to the Ferry terminal. The key is that the streets on which the light rail is to be constructed would be banned to cars. (And let's face it: anyone who's driving around in the financial district needs to have their head examined in the first place! Keeping cars off a few of those streets can only be a good thing).

I agree... as long as they do it the right way.. because I don't feel like the whole closing off of Times Square to cars really worked, since they didn't bother to close it all off, and just closed off a few streets and have even more cars backed up trying to figure out how to get out of there..