New York Leads U.S. Cities In Population Growth (Union: landlords, bus)

[gradstudent77]

Originally Posted by eek

well said.

i could see if the ppl moving to ny were from the u.s. but these ppl are from various other countries. the national unemployment rate is 9.5%...i'm actually looking for a job and its very frustrating...then to see all these ppl that weren't there 5, 10 years ago and they have jobs...argh.
i sound like archie bunker right now, lol. i'm not trying to be racist, predjudice, etc. but come on. when are we gonna help out americans??
i'm black if that matters.

as a black person, i'ma say it. ride the f train. nobody black gets on (starting from 179th st) til you get to queens bridge. then nobody else black gets on til you get to brooklyn. smh @ this. black ppl got pushed out, i guess. used to see black ppl on hillside. used to. we're scarce now.
everything is east indian, west indian (but still east indian...non black west indians), asians, etc.

bodegas aren't even bodegas anymore. they're owned by mexicans...no offense at all. i'm happy for them. can you please leave more than one bodega with what you'd normally expect in them? everything has to be mexican oriented now?? really?

234234324324 billion indian shops with indian clothing.

i love diversity but this isn't diveristy. this is pushing out what used to be there and receiving a mass influx of only one or two groups.

Why do people feel pushed out though if different people move in? Btw, those foreigners are Americans now,too.

[gradstudent77]

Originally Posted by wordlife

The population is rising but the infrastructure needs to be updated, thats why we have congested trains, streets, highways. One thing that we have severely lacked within the last 50 years are Planners who are true visionaries who actually succeed in getting the job done instead of always presenting endless "proposals". If the subway had never been built and an project on its scale was proposed today, you know there's a good chance that it probably wouldn't be built or massively scaled back.

There's room to grow and it clearly shows since people keep coming to nyc but I just feel that the infrastructure has to be updated and expanded to help accommodate.

Nimby-ism is more audible now. Its a good thing in some ways, bc maybe you don't get R. Moses ramming the cross-bronx through East Tremont to avoid some politician's property, but its a bad thing because some GREAT projects get blocked.

[bluedog2]

Originally Posted by MantaRay

European transplants don't count as immigrants?

Good point and interesting question.
I guess I don't count them as immigrants because they don't consider themselves immigrants.Not the ones I was referring to anyway.They are just kind of on an extended travel visa and don't consider NY ( or the US ) as their home.Whatever houses or apartments they buy are 4th or 5th homes and their is no intent to stay or become citizens.

I usually think of immigrants( even illegal ones) as having an intent to stay,with at least the hope of citizenship.

[7 Wishes]

Originally Posted by bluedog2

They are displacing people at the bottom of the economic ladder who are being forced to the exurbs like Pennsylvania and Rockland county.

Pennsylvania yes (though this is starting to dwindle, many of the people who moved there couldn't even afford houses there and foreclosed), but A) I'd hardly consider Rockland County "exurban" anymore (maybe Orange or Putnam County), and B) while cheaper, than NYC or Westchester, I'd hardly call Rockland the kind of place someone who can afford PA can afford.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by 7 Wishes

Pennsylvania yes (though this is starting to dwindle, many of the people who moved there couldn't even afford houses there and foreclosed), but A) I'd hardly consider Rockland County "exurban" anymore (maybe Orange or Putnam County), and B) while cheaper, than NYC or Westchester, I'd hardly call Rockland the kind of place someone who can afford PA can afford.

Many of the people forced out are coming further Upstate or are moving "down South". I've met people here in Syracuse that have moved from Brooklyn neighborhoods.

[lovesMountains]

Originally Posted by tpk-nyc

NY1 | 24 Hour Local News | Top Stories | New York Leads U.S. Cities In Population Growth

Something many of us already suspected. Still, adding 53,000 is a lot, especially in a recession.

"Census data also shows many of the country's urban areas are growing at faster rates than the rest of the nation, reversing a long-standing trend of migration to the suburbs."

Well, that's just NYC - the STATE itself is losing population pretty rapidly, as is New Jersey.

http://www.theblogofrecord.com/tag/s...ng-population/

[gradstudent77]

Originally Posted by lovesMountains

Well, that's just NYC - the STATE itself is losing population pretty rapidly, as is New Jersey.

States Losing Population | The Blog of Record

NY and NJ are losing population when you compare domestic in and out-flows. International immigration and a higher birthrate than death rate keep the populations growing in both states.

[ocean2026]

TPk you're misleading everyone. NYC is the biggest but percentage wise many cities are growing faster.

[bluedog2]

Originally Posted by 7 Wishes

Pennsylvania yes (though this is starting to dwindle, many of the people who moved there couldn't even afford houses there and foreclosed), but A) I'd hardly consider Rockland County "exurban" anymore (maybe Orange or Putnam County), and B) while cheaper, than NYC or Westchester, I'd hardly call Rockland the kind of place someone who can afford PA can afford.

Actually you are right,7 wishes. I was thinking specifically about places like Poughkeepsie,Newburg,Beacon,Wappingers Falls,etc. I guess that's actually Dutchess County.

Anyway,I have heard that section 8 people are being steered in droves out of the city to those places and to Pennsylvania.

[bluedog2]

Originally Posted by gradstudent77

NY and NJ are losing population when you compare domestic in and out-flows. International immigration and a higher birthrate than death rate keep the populations growing in both states.

NY State is definitely losing population.Upstate is emptying out like someone pulled the plug in a sink.