The Grand Concourse is "in!!!" (Yonkers, New Rochelle: middle-class, loans)

[bluedog2]

I understand the concept but it still just doesn't make sense that someone paying $700.00 or $800.00 for an apartment in the South Bronx somewhere, who has to move because the landlord somehow gets the rent up to $900.00 and they can't afford the $900,would be able to move into a neighborhood where the rents are already $1,100 or $1,200.The rents in most of the "decent " neighborhoods described are already higher than what the landlords want to get them up to in the South Bronx so how can these 'displaced" people move into a higher rent area and " take it over" as people like to say ?

[SuperMario]

Wait till these yups head out on a sideblock on the 180's....see how much they love the Concourse then.

[SuperMario]

Also the south Bronx has and will always be the worst part of the borough. Geographically speaking (I believe "south Bronx" goes up to Fordham rd) the southern portion of the borough has a higher crime rate than hoods such as Fordham, Tremont, Morris Height, Uni Heights, North Fordham etc etc.....this IMO stems from the fact that 75% of all the housing projects are located down there. I don't care how much it gentrifies, it will always be worse than further up.

The central Bronx has alot of blocks that are family oriented. I can speak for my block, I never seen a summer so quiet. This block is dead.

[yodel]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Wait till these yups head out on a sideblock on the 180's....see how much they love the Concourse then.

I think you're referring to the people I mentioned. They live on a side block. I haven't heard that they feel uncomfortable. Both I think are of upper middle class backgrounds but aren't white so maybe they blend in better.

The first summer we were here was quite loud, but it's gotten quieter every year since. This year has been super quiet comparatively. There are still people out but not as many. I don't mind people hanging out--I just don't want music blasting. Actually we used to have a lot of kids playing softball on the corner. From what I understand it was pretty organized. Different ages played at different times. This summer there are no ball games. I don't know what happened. I kind of miss hearing the crack of the bat this summer.

[Bronxguyanese]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Wait till these yups head out on a sideblock on the 180's....see how much they love the Concourse then.

I dont think the yups are gonna buy apartments passed 170th street and grand concourse they just gonna stay below 170th all the way down to 149th street. Anything in between 170 and fordham road will be a no go for yups unless if the price is right!

[Bronxguyanese]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Also the south Bronx has and will always be the worst part of the borough. Geographically speaking (I believe "south Bronx" goes up to Fordham rd) the southern portion of the borough has a higher crime rate than hoods such as Fordham, Tremont, Morris Height, Uni Heights, North Fordham etc etc.....this IMO stems from the fact that 75% of all the housing projects are located down there. I don't care how much it gentrifies, it will always be worse than further up.

The central Bronx has alot of blocks that are family oriented. I can speak for my block, I never seen a summer so quiet. This block is dead.

south bronx currently is the worst part of the borough but with this current trend of gentrification the shift of this trend will change making the central part of the bronx or the northeast section of the bronx the worst part of the bronx to live as parts of the south bronx become more diserable. There are parts of the central and north east bronx that have higher pockets of crimes then niegborhoods in the south bronx. Parts of fordham are bad and even university hieghts and western east tremont is a bad area much worse then the south bronx itself. actually here is a link about murders in the city and notice most of the bronx murders are in the western portion of the bronx along the grand concourse due west. There are some pockets of the south bronx that is quiet with no action like 137 street Where I live. Things will get better and people who are poor that live in section 8 housing in the south bronx will probably be forced to move into housing projects. In the near future the the only pockets of poverty will probbaly be restricted to the housing projects in the south bronx. click on the link below.

New York City Homicides Map - The New York Times

[yodel]

Originally Posted by Bronxguyanese

I dont think the yups are gonna buy apartments passed 170th street and grand concourse they just gonna stay below 170th all the way down to 149th street. Anything in between 170 and fordham road will be a no go for yups unless if the price is right!

Well, I don't know a lot about the area between 170 and Fordham, but I personally know professionals who have bought. Also Little Italy has more and more of a Fordham presence. (The university is pretty expensive and the typical student is probably not of modest means.)

I think the Fordham area in general has a lot going for it. Transportation is good, lots of shopping, the university/zoo/gardens, proximity of Little Italy. I would see it improving in the future.

[Curiousguyeducator]

Originally Posted by bluedog2

It is the lower Grand Concourse that has been receiving most of the media attention and seems to be most in transition with lots of activity and development.But I have heard that demographic changes are taking place all along the Concourse all the way up to the top( 205 th St?).The upper concourse never had a decline as bad as the lower concourse but still it is changing all the way up.

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I too have noticed changes in the demographics along the Concourse past 167th. I've spotted a few whites as well as Asians from Mt. Eden to Tremont along the concorse.

[Curiousguyeducator]

Originally Posted by Bronxguyanese

I dont think the yups are gonna buy apartments passed 170th street and grand concourse they just gonna stay below 170th all the way down to 149th street. Anything in between 170 and fordham road will be a no go for yups unless if the price is right!

Too late. I've already seen them. Don't get me wrong. They're not coming in droves, but I have spotted them.

About two years ago, I remember automatically assuming that any white person walking about the area to be either a Bronx Lebanon employee, a teacher, a pharmacist, a social worker, or a librarian. That might have been the case then, but now I've been seeing a couple of them coming out of some non-hospital buildings, supermarkets, and laundromats. They don't abound, but they're here. Maybe it's because of the economy or something.

Make no mistake, however; I don't forsee this area becoming gentrified anytime soon. But I wouldn't designate every block past 170 a "no go" for yuppies. Most of the side blocks may be, but not the entire concourse from 170th to Fordham. As some people in this forum have noted, blocks vary greatly from one to the other.

[Curiousguyeducator]

For the record, I'm not one of the types who automatically assume that a neighborhood is improving because a white person or two are moving in. Neither am I one of the types who assume that every white person in the hood is either a yuppy or a trust fund baby. Heck, for all you know, some of the white people you consider to be yuppies are broke and uneducated (it's not out of the question.)