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Old 08-28-2009, 09:31 PM
 
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and madison square garden be moved to the west side!

it's a crime against humanity to what happened to penn station. MSG should be demoshlished!

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Old 08-28-2009, 09:51 PM
 
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I thought they were moving it to that post office.
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:14 PM
 
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it's not enough!
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:16 PM
 
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I agree Penn should be redone a bit...the makeover of the Port Authority and Grand Central worked out really well.
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Old 08-29-2009, 12:08 AM
 
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and madison square garden be moved to the west side!

it's a crime against humanity to what happened to penn station. MSG should be demoshlished!

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Agreed! MSG is rather hideous. Penn Station was architecture porn (umm, I mean visually appealing).
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Old 08-29-2009, 06:26 AM
 
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and madison square garden be moved to the west side!

it's a crime against humanity to what happened to penn station. MSG should be demoshlished!
Unfortunately, even if you'd spelled 'demolished' correctly, you're actually about 45 years late. Penn Station isn't going to be rebuilt in this world...but the silver lining to the cloud is that its destruction led directly to the formation of the Landmarks Commission, which insures that a similar sacrilege won't happen within the borders of New York City.

If there's one thing that causes butterflies in developers' stomachs, it's the thought of the Landmarks Commission getting involved in their scheming.
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Old 08-29-2009, 08:48 AM
 
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I demand that those who use and benefit from such re-building are the ones who pay. I don't use it, and so I'll be selfish and say I don't care.
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Old 08-30-2009, 11:13 AM
 
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I demand that those who use and benefit from such re-building are the ones who pay. I don't use it, and so I'll be selfish and say I don't care.
Perhaps there are people who don't use services that you do. Suppose you drive a car in the city, and someone made a proposal to restrict automobile use. You'd look awfully hypocritical if you objected, wouldn't you?
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Old 08-30-2009, 11:45 AM
 
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Perhaps there are people who don't use services that you do. Suppose you drive a car in the city, and someone made a proposal to restrict automobile use. You'd look awfully hypocritical if you objected, wouldn't you?
Perhaps I am learning well from the previous generation and have become all about me and nothing but me. Perhaps...
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Old 08-30-2009, 06:33 PM
 
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If only folk understood issues from the minds of the times. Remember, in 1960, Penn Station, majestic as it was, was an old, decrepit structure owned by a bankrupt railroad company. Most of the public (not just developers and urban planners) wanted modern buildings. Add to the fact that NO ONE came to the rescue of either Penn Central Rail or Penn Station, and you have a big train station that's got to go.

Also, the New Penn Station and Madison Square Garden were, at that time they were built, the face of the new modernism. Landmarks preservation was an idea that was professed from the few (and don't sit here and lie stating that most of the public still wanted old buildings in the 1960s!). The landmarks preservation movement had to work hard over the course of 20 years to influence the public (and a Jackie Onassis face didn't hurt!) of the benefits to preserving the old classic structures.
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